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2 January 2013, 12:22 AM | #31 |
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I don't know. But I do know a guy over in London who has an amazing PP collection, Rolex too. About a year ago he started getting into GS's, big time. He called to tell me and this what he said. " Art, if they took the GS off the dial and put Patek Philippe, they could increase the price 5 times and sell them, they are that good."
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2 January 2013, 12:51 AM | #32 |
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Seiko is a great watch company but rolex markets better..
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2 January 2013, 12:58 AM | #33 |
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Even if the GS had better quality than a ROLEX, the GS will always have the SEIKO Stigma attached to it, especially when the price is as high as a ROLEX.
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2 January 2013, 01:10 AM | #34 |
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don't have one but my impression is yes
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2 January 2013, 01:20 AM | #35 |
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2 January 2013, 01:22 AM | #36 |
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Don't forget about resale...
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2 January 2013, 01:25 AM | #37 |
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I disagree. It's not so much marketing that puts Rolex ahead of Seiko in the high end market. Seiko did it to themselves.
You can't make a $75 watch and an $7500 watch under the same name. Thats why Toyota created Lexus and Nissan created Infinity. |
2 January 2013, 01:27 AM | #38 |
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Doubt it. Even though a GS can be "that good" it still won't have the PP seal for the movement. It is purely a personal statement.
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2 January 2013, 01:28 AM | #39 |
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Mercedes does it?. Mercedes have low end models that run $30000.00 and up
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2 January 2013, 01:31 AM | #40 |
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Everything sells if priced right. I wonder how difficult is it to sell a GS as compared to a SUB?
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2 January 2013, 01:32 AM | #41 |
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Thanks for all the helpful feedback - I'm going to consider a gs for my collection.
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2 January 2013, 01:33 AM | #42 |
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2 January 2013, 01:44 AM | #43 |
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2 January 2013, 01:53 AM | #44 |
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Afraid any stigma with Seiko and the Seiko grand is only in that persons head.
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2 January 2013, 01:55 AM | #45 |
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I agree they have made their life hard making less than $75 watches and $7500 watches. In my opinion we don't count...we would appreciate a GS but the average Joe given the option between a 8k GS or a GMTIIC will pick the Rolex I bet...
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2 January 2013, 01:57 AM | #46 |
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GS all day, every day. Rolex is nice, but GS's finishing is much higher.
The only thing holding me back from purchasing a GS is the fact that they don't have a US based service center. If something goes wrong with your GS, it's getting sent all the way back to japan. Nein Danke. |
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I never saw a GS and I'd like to. Because I read numerous thread on European Forums telling that GS is a really good brand. Some people say better than Rolex, some disagree...
It apear that Seiko, I mean the name "Seiko" does not inspire good quality watches due to the cheaper watches from the brand. Maybe it not the same tendency all around the world... |
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ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder |
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2 January 2013, 02:28 AM | #49 |
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Seiko or Grand Seiko they are great watches the GS on everything except resale is in par with Rolex. The GS spring drive is maybe a short step ahead of Rolex.
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Do I read this as you don't own a GS but you'd buy one over Rolex "all day, everyday"? |
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2 January 2013, 02:40 AM | #51 |
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Hate to say this but if we are talking build quality then without question Grand Seiko is far superior than a Rolex. It's not even close, do some research or even better own one and see for yourself.
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2 January 2013, 02:43 AM | #52 |
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After reading this thread, I did some research on the GS brand. Their Spring Drive seems incredible, and the watches are very attractive. The only downside (which I admit is a significant one) seems to be that they are difficult to get serviced.
Notwithstanding that, I think I'll join Padi and start stalking for a pre-owned one. This could be my next watch. |
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2 January 2013, 02:56 AM | #56 |
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Rolex and Grand Seiko build ultra high quality products. Rolex seems to have great talent inventing amazing tool watches. I'm not knowledgable enough to state which engine (movement) uses more durable and higher quality metals. I also don't know where gs sources their metals.
Cool innovations by Rolex according to Wikipedia: Among the company's innovations are: The first waterproof wristwatch "Oyster", 1926 The first wristwatch with an automatically changing date on the dial (Rolex Datejust ref.4467, 1945)[6] The first wristwatch case waterproof to 100 m (330 ft) (Rolex Oyster Perpetual Submariner ref.6204, 1953) The first wristwatch to show two time zones at once (Rolex GMT Master ref.6542, 1954) The first wristwatch with an automatically changing day and date on the dial (Rolex Day-Date, 1956)[12][better source needed] The first watchmaker to earn chronometer certification for a wristwatch[5] Rolex's founder opened a foundation that supports meaningful causes - Rolex helps support this. Seiko's movements and many of their watches are stunning examples of movement innovation, creativity and beauty. Spring Drive! Would be nice to have one of each in a collection. |
2 January 2013, 02:58 AM | #57 |
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Hey padi I think there's a vintage gs over at watchyouseek for sale - not in perfect shape but price seems strong at 850 i think.
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2 January 2013, 03:06 AM | #58 |
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Great post
Great post....fun read.thank you!
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2 January 2013, 03:12 AM | #59 |
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2 January 2013, 03:17 AM | #60 |
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There is a reason I've started to collect vintage seiko divers.....Rolex now IMHO is a jewelry brand name with the current pricing. $for$ tool watch hands down the seiko is the best but Rolex has the recognition. For a couple of hundred you can buy a seiko monster. It's an awesome watch for the money.
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