Advice 1655

[francoiscevert]

what do you guys make of this 1655?

https://www.chrono24.de/rolex/explor...-id7063589.htm

the case seems fat, mk2 dial in good condition, original bezel.

polish the cristal and replace the bracelet? then it's a good buy?

Price seems fairish..

what are your opinions?

[johnlogan]

IMHO there is something that is not right!!
Case is GEN but crystal is aftermarket.
GMT hand is covered by the second hand in every direct shot.
The GMT hand is aftermarket.
Im no expert but 1970 mods had straight hands - this is not.
This is 100% a franked watch - I'm sure movement is serviced / repaired with non Rolex parts as well.

[swish77]

This 1655 is definitely not from 1970, despite what the description says. The reference didn't even exist then. That alone would be a red flag. What's the beginning of the serial number? That's not in the listing.

[johnlogan]

Originally Posted by swish77

This 1655 is definitely not from 1970, despite what the description says. The reference didn't even exist then. That alone would be a red flag. What's the beginning of the serial number? That's not in the listing.

Its a build, no doubt!!

[SubKing]

Its hard to be 100% certain because the sellers pictures are so god awful.. Normally that is a flag right there.. The devil is in the details.. This seller should be showing crisp macros of the dial so you can check for damages, should post pictures of movement and caseback, serial number and reference number. Doesn't look fake to me at first glance but as others have said, most likely its a mish mosh of rolex parts from different periods that someone used to make a complete watch. without a pic of a serial, we will never know for sure. Could be a rolex replacement case or a fake case for all we know. 16k usd seems very attractive for this piece given the current market on 1655's so that is another flag as well.

[francoiscevert]

It's a 3.7Mio Serial, therefore 74 or 75, IMO the bezel and dial match up.
Bare in mind it's a private seller so he may not know everything about it.
Why do you think the gmt hand is a fake? because of the fading?
I asked for some more Pictures

[johnlogan]

I can tell you again that the case is fake! The serial do not line up.
Compare your serials to this : https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...ce-papers-9095

The bracelet is a China aftermarket bracelet $ 45

The hands you find here : http://www.tiger-concept.com/hands-all.html
Seller has just aged them.

The seller know this watch very well and hide the GMT hand is every straight on shot.

[1675-David]

John, I'm not seeing what you are seeing, case looks solid, too little visual info to call the bracelet and the hands look OK so what's up, specifically?

[johnlogan]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

John, I'm not seeing what you are seeing, case looks solid, too little visual info to call the bracelet and the hands look OK so what's up, specifically?

The bracelet you can order here : http://rafflesdials.com/signed-19mm-...ex-watch-case/

If OP can get a few shorts of the movement that would be great.

Specifically !
Im sure case & hands are aftermarked. Datewheel looks genuine, something that might indicate a GEN 1570 or 1575 movement.

Nothing is definitive but I would thread carefully here until proven otherwise.

[francoiscevert]

Hi John thanks for your answers
but it honestly dont see what you see can you explain any further or say which details reveal that its a fake?
tks in advance

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by johnlogan

The bracelet you can order here : http://rafflesdials.com/signed-19mm-...ex-watch-case/

If OP can get a few shorts of the movement that would be great.

Specifically !
Im sure case & hands are aftermarked. Datewheel looks genuine, something that might indicate a GEN 1570 or 1575 movement.

Nothing is definitive but I would thread carefully here until proven otherwise.

Seems most of this Members posts are calling out fakes that end up not being fake....

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by 05carbondrz

Seems most of this Members posts are calling out fakes that end up not being fake....

Not all experts know what they are talking about Posting links to dubious sites selling fake parts is not cool either

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Not all experts know what they are talking about Posting links to dubious sites selling fake parts is not cool either

That Site is pretty sleezy! In other news I found a great Hulk starter set for $129.99,Just need some kind of ETA Movement and I'm there!

[johnlogan]

Originally Posted by francoiscevert

Hi John thanks for your answers
but it honestly dont see what you see can you explain any further or say which details reveal that its a fake?
tks in advance

Did you receive the movement pics and/or have you pulled the trigger?

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by johnlogan

Did you receive the movement pics and/or have you pulled the trigger?

I have to disagree with your comments overall. I think you’re over reacting just a touch and providing links to fake watch part dealers that really have nothing to do with this watch.

The gmt hand doesn’t look fake to me at all. The case doesn’t look fake to me either. I believe with the way the picture was taken, it could be making the serials look uneven; however, I feel based on what I am seeing, that watch case is authentic and so is the gmt hand.

I would say it has a couple parts on it from different periods like the bracelet and the seller is trying to hide that perhaps..? You never know. Which is why you need complete pictures of the movement, case-back, case, dial etc..

For all you know, it could be a great buy, you just need to do your due diligence when buying off the net.

That's why I thought perhaps it was a franken in my first post going based off the listing alone.

The listing stated it was 1970 production year, so if it was early 70's then it would have a straight hand. But after the OP posted additional pictures revealing serials, I could determine it is in fact later production, which makes it seem more correct and maybe not a franken after all..


The watch is 3.7 mill which would put it at 73 production year not 74/75 as OP suggested..

74 production serial didn’t start until around 3.9 mil..

Either way it looks like the seller has pulled the watch off the site. So at this point, it’s mute to keep talking about it.