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10 June 2018, 04:24 AM | #1 |
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Rolex 1803 Day Date -- Questionable seller constraints buying from Italy / Chrono24
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I am looking to purchase my first adult watch (just turned 25) -- I settled on an 1803 Day-Date with a Buckley dial, that I found listed from an Italian seller (I am based in the US) on Chrono24. The seller is Steel Watches (steelwatches dot it) I met the sellers asking price of EUR 5,000 ~ $6,000. The seller cancelled the transaction, and came back with the following: --- Hello US thank you for your order, this watch is part of my private collection and I can't invoice it as Steel Watches (I will invoice under my name, I have vat also as watch reseller). In this case you will have to do a direct payment via wire transfer (no TCO). [I imagine this is Trusted Checkout Offer] Otherwise my business parter will be in NY starting from June 20th and he can delivery the watch directly in your hand (if you like it you can pay directly him by cash or you can do a wire transfer). I stay at your disposal for any furhter question you might have and thank you for having choosen SteelWatches Best Regards Alfredo Vergani President&Chairman --- I have learnt to be cynical / skeptical the hard way, but I wanted to see what you all made of the note above? I am skeptical for the following reasons: -- Not having Chrono24's trusted checkout offer mechanism -- Not having the purchase protection of Chase Sapphire Resserve -- I do not understand the "private collection" comment - is that really something I have to deal with, or shouldnt the seller be responsible for bearing the costs / logistical trouble associated with this? That being said, I do really really like this watch (even relative to close comparables), which is why I am wondering if it is worth the risk. My current plan is to agree to buying the watch in person at the Rolex store or at an Authorized Dealer in New York and having them verify it on the spot...(if they would even do such a thing) Would appreciate any thoughts / advice / suggestions. Thank you! US |
10 June 2018, 09:37 AM | #2 |
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Magnification is wrong. Overall looks fake and buyers conditions add more red flags. Sellers in Italy require additional caution.
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10 June 2018, 09:51 AM | #3 |
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You're the buyer with the money. You tell the seller your condition and terms. There are millions of Rolex out there...you have nothing to lose. Good luck.
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A aftermarket glass does not make a watch fake ? Best not comment on day dates if you have no knowledge of them To the other person if you have concerns as you do with the whole situation pull out of the deal I would in this case Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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13 June 2018, 12:55 PM | #6 |
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Rolex 1803 Day Date -- Questionable seller constraints buying from Italy / Chrono24
In what way ? Granted hands are incorrect for a Buckley, typical inner lug wear from misfitted original Bracelet they were always not the greatest fit, known Dial ? Open 6 on the date wheel,and likely a broken tooth on the day wheel causing misalignment. Typical Rose gold patina of tarnished yellow gold ??? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I think you jumped to that conclusion too fast. I saw many vintage DD's with aftermarket crystals and many of them had no service done it years. It resulted in a day and date disk being a little off and low mag
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10 June 2018, 12:15 PM | #9 |
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If it is your first high-end watch, consider buying from an AD.
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10 June 2018, 12:33 PM | #10 |
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The few things I see besides the shady seller tactics. The magnification is super low, the day wheel is off and the inside of the lugs look like they are not square. I would pass and try to find what you are looking for here in the states.
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I'd definitely pass on that deal.
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10 June 2018, 10:27 PM | #12 |
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I would walk from this piece
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10 June 2018, 11:13 PM | #13 |
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For peace of mind, I wouldn't buy that watch, I would contact trusted sellers on here to see what they have, as others have pointed out, there are lots of pre owned Rolex watches out there, and if there is an element of doubt in my mind I would walk away.
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10 June 2018, 11:28 PM | #14 |
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Unless transaction is smooth as silk, walk away.
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10 June 2018, 11:41 PM | #15 |
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Thank you all for your thoughtful advice! I will be walking away from it.
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11 June 2018, 12:49 AM | #16 |
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11 June 2018, 03:53 AM | #17 |
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To many questions. Walk away.
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12 June 2018, 03:37 PM | #18 |
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Thank you!
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13 June 2018, 12:52 PM | #19 |
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$6,000 is a lot of money but if you’re able to hold out a little longer and save a bit (or find a seller more credit card friendly) you can find an 1803 with the matching gold bracelet. That’s a huge boost and I’ve seen some for around 9k. Make sure you’ve tried one on before pulling the trigger as well. I’ve been in love with watches only to see it fade once it’s on my wrist (usually too big or too small).
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I actually prefer a non-gold bracelet (I work in a conservative environment, and a full solid gold watch would be too much). I tried one on in store and also tried a vintage full gold one with at a vintage dealer, and really liked it but thats still a great suggestion. |
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14 June 2018, 02:45 AM | #21 |
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The seller states that he does not want to issue a doctored invoice on who's request btw and you question his integrity
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14 June 2018, 03:27 AM | #22 |
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I’m paying $6k for a watch with undisclosed aftermarket parts and servicing, to someone in a foreign country, who is asking me to waive all my protections as a buyer (cash or wire, no TCO). Sorry if I hurt his feelings (or yours), but I’m going to do my diligence.
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