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Old 23 May 2019, 11:41 AM   #1
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So what does NOS entail?

So what is truly “ New old stock?” AKA NOS.

Can it just never be worn but with engravings or all stickers removed? Does it have to be completely unmolested with everything intact?

Hypothetical: What if it were a watch that was BRAND NEW at time of receipt with stickers but with an engraved case back? Is that still NOS? Is it NOS if then the watch is sold and the new seller polished it off and no one can tell, is it NOS? what if they even went the extra mile and replaced it with a new caseback? Should it be disclosed? Is it still NOS?

Better yet, is this the ethical standard in the watch dealer world?

What’s the standard? What’s the level of “full disclosure” that is expected if the case back were polished or even replaced?

I’m curious because I know a watch that’s listed for sale right now on TRF that has a polished case back or replaced case back because it was engraved and is now being positioned and sold as NOS....

Where is the line? I’m sick of hearing NOS,
MINT, LNIB, SLIDER, UNWORN, when it’s all lies....

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Old 23 May 2019, 11:49 AM   #2
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Old 23 May 2019, 11:53 AM   #3
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I'm curious: What does "SLIDER" mean? LNIB = like new, in box, correct? I would imagine that a true "NOS" piece is something that may be "last year's model" that never sold, was in the back corner of a case, maybe only tried on a few times in the store. That's what I would interpret an "NOS" definition to be. I would feel cheated if a watched marketed as "NOS" was, in fact, f*cked with, the case back taken off or engraved, or if the bracelet was sized.
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Old 23 May 2019, 11:55 AM   #4
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I'm curious: What does "SLIDER" mean? LNIB = like new, in box, correct? I would imagine that a true "NOS" piece is something that may be "last year's model" that never sold, was in the back corner of a case, maybe only tried on a few times in the store. That's what I would interpret an "NOS" definition to be. I would feel cheated if a watched marketed as "NOS" was, in fact, f*cked with, the case back taken off or engraved, or if the bracelet was sized.


I agree with you 1000% unsold maybe tried on few times...


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Old 23 May 2019, 11:57 AM   #5
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Do tell...


Unless I’m being forced to I’d rather not say, I’m betting the person will see this post and hopefully change their level of integrity from nil to something.


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Old 23 May 2019, 11:58 AM   #7
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I agree with you 1000% unsold maybe tried on few times...


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I would be fine buying an "NOS" watch if it met my criteria in the previous post. Anything other than that, I would want to be privy to.

Edit: I just saw the pics above. I wouldn't want NJP written on my "new" watch. NJP in my world = non-judicial punishment, and nobody wants to go see the CO to get spanked.
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Old 23 May 2019, 12:00 PM   #8
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This would be the one.....


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:01 PM   #9
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Ah yeah. Also had links removed. And it’s been worn. I know because I know the previous owner...


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:03 PM   #10
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Ah yeah. Also had links removed. And it’s been worn. I know because I know the previous owner...


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Small world eh?


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:04 PM   #11
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Maybe NOS stands for Not Old Stock


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:05 PM   #12
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NOS means unworn and un-f'd with in my book. Since this was sized, worn for a bit and the caseback either polished or replaced, I can't see how it rightfully falls under new-old-stock.
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Ah yeah. Also had links removed. And it’s been worn. I know because I know the previous owner...


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Solve the mystery of what NJP means?
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Old 23 May 2019, 12:08 PM   #14
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Haha obviously it’s initials. The previous owner wasn’t the original owner. So the specifics I don’t know.


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:23 PM   #15
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Haha obviously it’s initials. The previous owner wasn’t the original owner. So the specifics I don’t know.


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The plot thickens! So there was a guy before you, Mr. NJP. Maybe someone before him! We need a professional on the case.

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Old 23 May 2019, 12:24 PM   #16
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The plot thickens! So there was a guy before you, Mr. NJP. Maybe someone before him! We need a professional on the case.





How can someone consciously call it NOS?! And charge a premium.... it makes me sick honestly.


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:27 PM   #17
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No watch offered on TRF can be NOS.

NOS is exactly what it says.... New, old stock. It is an original Dealer designation for previous stock, distinct from their newest models.

Buying an NOS watch, then reselling it, is not NOS - it can only be new once.
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Old 23 May 2019, 12:29 PM   #18
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How can someone consciously call it NOS?! And charge a premium.... it makes me sick honestly.


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Don't buy it, man. At the end of the day, it's a watch. There are many like it. You don't need that you. I get that you felt deceived. You vented, now you're not gonna buy it. Whoever is selling it will move their product to someone who doesn't care as much as you do. Let someone else enjoy Mr. NJP's old watch!
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Old 23 May 2019, 12:40 PM   #19
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Don't buy it, man. At the end of the day, it's a watch. There are many like it. You don't need that you. I get that you felt deceived. You vented, now you're not gonna buy it. Whoever is selling it will move their product to someone who doesn't care as much as you do. Let someone else enjoy Mr. NJP's old watch!


I donno man. The OP brings up a good point. You’re right that someone will buy it. But it’s quite possible that they would care if they know the truth. If they trust and believe the seller they are buying under false pretenses. And that pretense is expensive considering NOS sells for a premium when this watch is not NOS.


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Old 23 May 2019, 12:47 PM   #20
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I donno man. The OP brings up a good point. You’re right that someone will buy it. But it’s quite possible that they would care if they know the truth. If they trust and believe the seller they are buying under false pretenses. And that pretense is expensive considering NOS sells for a premium when this watch is not NOS.


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You're not wrong. Someone will buy it under false pretenses. I hope that buyer sees this thread.
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Old 23 May 2019, 12:55 PM   #21
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No watch offered on TRF can be NOS.

NOS is exactly what it says.... New, old stock. It is an original Dealer designation for previous stock, distinct from their newest models.

Buying an NOS watch, then reselling it, is not NOS - it can only be new once.
Exactly Larry. I totally agree.
This watch with it's changed or refinished case back and having one previous owner that people know of (who wore the watch) and possibly another previous owner before that is a million miles from NOS.
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Old 23 May 2019, 01:08 PM   #22
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Exactly Larry. I totally agree.

This watch with it's changed or refinished case back and having one previous owner that people know of (who wore the watch) and possibly another previous owner before that is a million miles from NOS.


Thanks, I agree. Dealers should be more careful....


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Old 23 May 2019, 01:10 PM   #23
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Yet a quick search of the FS ads will show many listed as NOS. All in various conditions. It just stinks because many buyers will just assume it’s all the same.


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No watch offered on TRF can be NOS.

NOS is exactly what it says.... New, old stock. It is an original Dealer designation for previous stock, distinct from their newest models.

Buying an NOS watch, then reselling it, is not NOS - it can only be new once.
This right here. Totally agree.
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No watch offered on TRF can be NOS.

NOS is exactly what it says.... New, old stock. It is an original Dealer designation for previous stock, distinct from their newest models.

Buying an NOS watch, then reselling it, is not NOS - it can only be new once.
Agree. But in this case, anything like an "NOS" or "Mint" description would be deceptive.
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Seller should be called out.

People potentially buying this or other watches should be made aware.
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One seller is currently on a one-month suspension for repeatedly describing well worn and scratched up watches as "mint". It's ok to report misleading listings, guys. Just click the red triangle.
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OP, thanks for bringing this to the surface. That’s not just an oversight, that’s down right misleading.
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The watch is the $9800 NOS explorer 2 polar that was posted, if admins want to check the marketplace and find the seller awesome as I cannot find the thread anymore, maybe he read this post. My friend and I can 1000% verify the caseback was once engraved and either polished over or replaced case back. Labeling it as NOS is horrible ethics.


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Seller should be called out.

People potentially buying this or other watches should be made aware.


Here’s the link

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=676542


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