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24 June 2018, 07:44 AM | #1 |
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Rolex 1680, 18k yellow gold (1978)?
Hi all! Back after a long break.
I am looking at expanding my collection with a classic, the 1680 in yellow gold. Knowing a little about 1680’s I’m not too familiar with the 18k versions of the model. The one I might consider is a late run one (1978) in ”good condition” with a leather strap. Its got its certificate. Any suggestion on what might roughly be reasonable, price wise, provided that everything is OK? No pictures avaliable at this point. Much appreciated advice, guys! |
24 June 2018, 08:27 AM | #2 |
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What colour? Fat case? Mint dial? I’d expect 15k usd and up unless it’s a wreck
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Yeah, the case is pretty fat. Black dial. What worries me is the serial number which is a 6,0 million one. That seems pretty high for a 1680/8, wouldnt you agree?
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25 June 2018, 02:44 AM | #4 |
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6.0mil to too late for an 18k YG 1680. Pass!
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Sure it’s not a 16808? Is it sapphire or acrylic?
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Its says 1680 and it has an acrylic ”domed” glass. Not being an expert, at which serial number range did Rolex stop producing 1680’s? Did they go into the 6 millions?
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Punched certificate papers, I might add.
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I've owned Submariner 1680s with serial numbers as high as 6.1XXXXX. Unless you have some inside information, 1680s were still being made in the 6 million serial range.
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I have yet to see a genuine 18k YG 1680 case with 6mil serial number. |
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25 June 2018, 05:20 AM | #10 |
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Yes they did. There are 6 million serial-numbered 1680s. They were discontinued during the 6 million serial numbers.
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Thanks! 1680/8’s were rare (so much I know), so if the steel model was still produced in the 6’s, then a few gold ones might also have been produced, without surfacing. I’ll try to provide some pics for further assessment.
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And here are some pic's. Any comments as to it being a 6 mill model / genuine?
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I can offer no expertise on the 6+ million serial issue, but it’s a real stunner in the looks department !
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Nukeman's gold 1680 photos does not exhibit any signs of a fake watch.
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The 1680 the OP posted exhibits the latest generation of fake 18K YG cases that have come to market. Tell tale signs are the shape crown guard shapes (too thick) and the engravings. Close but no cigar. |
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Why does the marking in the open gear picture read 1370? Should it not be 1570?
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6 million isn't 1978.
To me 6 million has always been 1981. I haven't in over a decade of looking seen a 6 million ref:1680. So it raises serious question marks in my mind. However from the photos, it looks fabulous Difficult decision, but its a huge chunk of cash to risk.
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It does look like a '3' but it should be a '5', however, I think that it may be an optical illusion due to the pixelation of the photograph.
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OK John, well I think you are on the money...
Maybe this 18K 1680 is legitimate after all.
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I've seen a few other 1680s with low 6 million serial numbers the past several years and I will say that they are not very plentiful.
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This is a very interesting thread...especially as someone who hopes to own a 1680/8 one day.
I'm less concerned about the serial "issue" but more so about the "late generation of fakes". I'm no expert but the pictures appear to show a beautiful example without any objection from a couple well respected members...hm.
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Its one thing to make a fake case, but to also have punched papers that match the faked case, now I've never heard of that before.
As I said in the photos above the watch looks perfect to me. Rolex does change their lug widths/styles from time to time. The hallmarks embossed into the underside of this case also say original to me, so I would say it was genuine from these photos..
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Great input guys, thanks. I’ll let you know what i’ll do (I might actually pull the trigger, being well aware of everyone’s considerations. The risk is with me).
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The yellow gold case watch is fake.
Tell tale signs as Michael has said. The font of the engravings are off. Easy to see comparing to springers steelcase. Take a look comparing the the 1’s and the 6. Very different. Stay away from the golf 6 mil watch. |
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Well don’t say I didn’t warn you...
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Watch is also very underpriced and a private sale (not knocking private sales)I’m sure you will have little or no comeback and what’s the betting they won’t accept PayPal my money is with michael on this one
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A fake watch (or even a watch in question) can’t well be underpriced at 20000 eur, can it? But given all concerns, it wont be easy to sell it down the line, even if its genuine. Thanks for all the input!ä guys!
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