5711a or 5712a if buying used and same price?

[manilenyo]

5712 gets my vote as well.

[Vipes]

I'm leaning more towards 5712. More interesting dial. I have the 5711 but hoping to add 5712 soon.

[spiker]

5712a. I like the dial & complications. 5711 Looks nice & clean but to me it just looks like a watch that will tell the time but I wouldn't stare at it checking out its nuances.

[Silver Bullet]

Originally Posted by debner4

In the US, the used price of a 5712 and 5711 are almost exactly the same price. So new question, if they were the same price, would you buy a 5711 or 5712 (both steel with blue dial)?

The pricing tells you that most people will choose 5711.

[KBM]

Interesting poll results. At almost 2-1, it seems the 5711 craze is being rationalized here in the forum.

[RussW]

For the same price I'd get the 12. But what I'd actually do is get on the wait list for a new 5712.

[debner4]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

The pricing tells you that most people will choose 5711.

I disagree. 5712 is usually slightly more expensive on grey market, although some 5711 are listed higher. Overall, the grey market price between the two right now is roughly equivalent, which does NOT suggest that most will choose the 5711.

I think it's clear most will choose the 5711 if buying retail because it is $8k cheaper and some like it more, or at least, nearly as much as 5712.

[Silver Bullet]

Originally Posted by debner4

I disagree. 5712 is usually slightly more expensive on grey market, although some 5711 are listed higher. Overall, the grey market price between the two right now is roughly equivalent, which does NOT suggest that most will choose the 5711.



I think it's clear most will choose the 5711 if buying retail because it is $8k cheaper and some like it more, or at least, nearly as much as 5712.

Here's how it seems to me:

The 5712 is *objectively* the more valuable watch. The fact that their grey market pricing is nearly equivalent is because the *subjective* preference is for the 5711. There is more love for the 5711, which is why people are willing to pay the same price as the 5712 for it, and much more over 5711 retail than they are willing to pay over retail for the 5712. Another way of putting it is if people liked the 5712 as much as the 5711, then we'd be seeing a lot of people moving "up" to the 5712 as 5711 used market pricing goes up, and there would remain a significant price differential. So I stand by my claim that the pricing of these watches tells us what people prefer.

In fact, we may soon see 5711 pricing *exceed* 5712 pricing on the grey and second hand market.

Ask yourself this: pretend that you're DavidSW or Takuya, at the same price, which would you expect to be easier to sell?

Seems obvious to me that the answer would be 5711.

[tng11]

5712. When I think "Patek" - I think about "complications". The 5711 is too basic for me at that price.

[kitsgq]

I just picked up my 5712 this week. And it's gorgeous. The 5711 is just too plain for me. But to each his own. Buy what you like. At this price point a few grand this way or that way shouldn't make a difference.

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[HK Islandboy]

5712 - like the moonphase

[Silver Bullet]

Personally, I like the symmetry of the original Genta design, and I don't think that a moonphase belongs on a steel sports watch. That's just how I feel about it, so I'd pick 5711, even at the same price and I'd do so with the confidence that it will hold its value or appreciate as well or better than the 5712, and have double the water resistance. Pretty easy choice for me.

The only thing the 5712 has going for it, from my perspective, is a shorter AD wait time.

[jonathan17]

If you want the "ORIGINAL" Genta design go for the AP 15202 it kept the DNA perfectly for a modern watch (beautiful watch)

For the same price you gotta go for the 5712 for sure, moonphase, power reserve, assymetrical marvel, low water resistance and all

[dc98354]

Traded my 5711 for 5712 a few years ago and very pleased.

[lapince]

Dide, even with the 5712 10k more, would still be my choice

[SpeedyTuomas]

If price is same, 5712.

[yoast]

5712 for sure. I find the 5711 too boring

[lapince]

Originally Posted by lapince

Dude, even with the 5712 10k more, would still be my choice

Oh and I have both, prefer the 12 much more

[kilyung]

I've had both and prefer the 5711

[Hollister]

5712. The 5711 is totally, utterly boring, dial and movement-wise.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Hollister

5712. The 5711 is totally, utterly boring, dial and movement-wise.

One persons utterly boring is another's clean and sophisticated.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Russell996

One persons utterly boring is another's clean and sophisticated.

Especially in pt

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by Russell996

One persons utterly boring is another's clean and sophisticated.

The 324 movement is sophisticated? This is new.

[Silver Bullet]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

The only thing the 5712 has going for it, from my perspective, is a shorter AD wait time.

I should have added the caliber 240. That is nice.

[rossi46]

If God, or Genta, had wanted those complications on it, He/he would have designed it that way.

5711 gets my vote.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Hollister

The 324 movement is sophisticated? This is new.

I was actually concentrating on looks which of course by definition are subjective.
324 is a great movement, nothing wrong there. It is used to power complications up to perpetual, has a long power reserve and a fast beat.

Of course, none of that matters in the 5711 as it is simply a very elegant time and date piece.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Hollister

The 324 movement is sophisticated? This is new.

Whats wrong with the 324?...think its in most my watches (5711 / 5524 / 5146 / 5205 / 5167) and never had a problem...

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by Russell996

I was actually concentrating on looks which of course by definition are subjective.
324 is a great movement, nothing wrong there. It is used to power complications up to perpetual, has a long power reserve and a fast beat.

Of course, none of that matters in the 5711 as it is simply a very elegant time and date piece.

Up to 45 hours is not “long”, by any stretch of the imagination – a basic ETA manages much the same.
28,800 vph isn’t fast beat these days – it’s the norm.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Up to 45 hours is not “long”, by any stretch of the imagination – a basic ETA manages much the same.
28,800 vph isn’t fast beat these days – it’s the norm.

Of course you are correct.
I guess 21,600 vph would be considered extremely slow?

[PJ S]

Few bother with 21.6k now, although the Seiko 4R & 6R still do, which gives the latter an almost 50 hours PR with the version of SPRON metal alloy used as the mainspring.
I guess it’s partly to do with the seconds hand jitter, with 28.8k being almost imperceptible, but you can drop to 18k with sub-dial seconds, since the small steps make even its sweep seem smooth.