Vacheron Overseas experience...

[Nightdate]

The black and blue dials both looking amazing (Nick & Verbow) and so does the fit!

[helloworldies]

On the bracelet the Overseas wears very similarly to the 15400.

It just about fits a 6.7 inch flat wrist as the bracelet is substantial.

If you wear on the rubber its a different story and fits nicely even on a smaller wrist.

I'd say ok down to 6.5.

[mgsooner]

I love the look of the Overseas, I'd go so far as to say it's closest thing I have to an "attainable grail," but for the life of me I have a really hard time accepting that it does not hack. Is there some sort of a historical reason for that?

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Joey5622

A major con would be that you'll never want to remove it from your wrist!!!!!



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That, best watch I‘ve come across and hardly put it down since.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

I love the look of the Overseas, I'd go so far as to say it's closest thing I have to an "attainable grail," but for the life of me I have a really hard time accepting that it does not hack. Is there some sort of a historical reason for that?

Yes and no. Hacking is not something many older movements do, and if you’ve developed your house style in over 260 years... well. In this specific instance, it’s due to space. Vacheron wanted the 5000 platform to be modular and left space for the addition of functions on the one side of the drive train, that means that the other side, which has the winding system in it got a bit squished in terms of real estate. I take it a combination of not finding hacking particularly important for not having had it in hundreds of years and the purely practical reason of wanting to make dual time and chronograph movements on the same platform might be to blame. Not really an issue day to day though.

[mgsooner]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Yes and no. Hacking is not something many older movements do, and if you’ve developed your house style in over 260 years... well. In this specific instance, it’s due to space. Vacheron wanted the 5000 platform to be modular and left space for the addition of functions on the one side of the drive train, that means that the other side, which has the winding system in it got a bit squished in terms of real estate. I take it a combination of not finding hacking particularly important for not having had it in hundreds of years and the purely practical reason of wanting to make dual time and chronograph movements on the same platform might be to blame. Not really an issue day to day though.

Thank you for the incredibly detailed answer, literally the best answer to this particular question I’ve ever read.

[STLrolexfan]

Continuing the hacking discussion—do those of you who own VCOs back-hack the movement to set the seconds or do you not bother? I read something on some prior thread where someone had contacted VC who said back-hacking was safe.


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[Nightdate]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Yes and no. Hacking is not something many older movements do, and if you’ve developed your house style in over 260 years... well. In this specific instance, it’s due to space. Vacheron wanted the 5000 platform to be modular and left space for the addition of functions on the one side of the drive train, that means that the other side, which has the winding system in it got a bit squished in terms of real estate. I take it a combination of not finding hacking particularly important for not having had it in hundreds of years and the purely practical reason of wanting to make dual time and chronograph movements on the same platform might be to blame. Not really an issue day to day though.

I always thought it was there...just because, no reason.
The explanation is fascinating and extremely informative, thank you!

[Nightdate]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=611818

Reading this and sh1tting bricks now. May have mentally convinced myself it fits haha.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by STLrolexfan

Continuing the hacking discussion—do those of you who own VCOs back-hack the movement to set the seconds or do you not bother? I read something on some prior thread where someone had contacted VC who said back-hacking was safe.


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When you set the watch you slide the hands around the pinion on a friction bracket, you don’t actually turn the movements, whether forward or backward. So in principle back hacking should not be an issue. However, I‘d not do it in the hours around the date change, because that’s linked to the setting train and afaik doesn’t like going backwards.

Personally, I don’t need my watch to be accurate to the second, so I don’t back jack mine. But since I do like my second hand to hit the 60 mark when the minute hand is aligned with an index, I tend to advance it a bit and release it when the seconds hit 60. Worked perfectly for me so far.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Nightdate

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=611818

Reading this and sh1tting bricks now. May have mentally convinced myself it fits haha.

Don’t worry, the time only is pretty true to size. It’s pretty flat at a hair over 10mm and the case recesses towards the caseback, making the watch leaner than it is nominally (and very elegant despite its sharp angles for that matter). The chrono is a different story, that’s pretty big.

[danicasi2002]

Originally Posted by Franzl

Just as a reference. My wrist size is a little under 7 inch.

What model number is this VCO?

[Franzl]

Originally Posted by danicasi2002

What model number is this VCO?

It‘s 4500V/110A-B563.

Have a great weekend.

[Franzl]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Don’t worry, the time only is pretty true to size. It’s pretty flat at a hair over 10mm and the case recesses towards the caseback, making the watch leaner than it is nominally (and very elegant despite its sharp angles for that matter). The chrono is a different story, that’s pretty big.

I personally don’t agree with the first part of your comment. Although perception is rather subjective, I would say that the 3-handler (4500V) wears more like 43mm. However, I do agree that the chrono wears considerably bigger.

[ATO]

Originally Posted by danicasi2002

What model number is this VCO?

Yes, I never saw this version, is that some sort of LE ?

Own a 3 hand version of the blue dial myself, love it.

[Franzl]

It is the Zurich Boutique Edition limited to 38 pieces. There is also a chrono version of the Zurich Boutique Edition. Like the 3–hander it is also limited to 38 pieces.

[ChaseATX]

7.5” wrist for reference. You’re going to love it!!!


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[Nikrnic]

You will be a very happy one. Wears like a true 41mm not too big on my 7" wrist. I've been loving mine since day one which was Christmas eve. Black for me.

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[Nightdate]

Very nice pictures guys. It is stunning no doubt.
I am now mentally prepared for it being a bit large not going to care. Been told to wait at least 3 months. Sent in my first follow up after 6 days! pushing hard...

[C_Troy242]

Originally Posted by Nightdate

Never owned the 41mm APs but tried quite a few times. Definitely wears smaller than the APs, by quite a margin. Could be just me but I am 100% certain.

Agreed, lug to lug is very short (virtually same as 38mm ROC). I wear the OS at 6.25 inch flat wrist no problem.

@Chase: Love that photo!

[Nightdate]

Originally Posted by C_Troy242

Agreed, lug to lug is very short (virtually same as 38mm ROC). I wear the OS at 6.25 inch flat wrist no problem.

@Chase: Love that photo!

Made my day, that wrist of yours!!!

[ChaseATX]

Originally Posted by C_Troy242

Agreed, lug to lug is very short (virtually same as 38mm ROC). I wear the OS at 6.25 inch flat wrist no problem.

@Chase: Love that photo!

Thanks! Got it mainly for the pool so it basically lives on the rubber strap. Also, it’s a treat to look at under the Loupe.




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[raclaims]

Another great thing with mine at least (tourbillon) is the power reserve...I wore my watch last on Friday, put it on today (Tuesday) and still keeping perfect time.

Amazing

[pierson]

I have to say, I’ve owned a lot of nice watches (Daytonas, vintage Rolex, deep sea, Lange 1, Fifty Fathoms, etc....) (I only list to help with history) and this is, by far, my favorite. I thought the 3 straps was kind of gimmicky, but I switch them all the time.

Btw - I know everyone loves the blue, but silver is my favorite. So timeless and classic.

[mdtddd2007]

Great brand...Blue looks really nice! I especially like the bracelet.

[Franzl]

Originally Posted by pierson

I have to say, I’ve owned a lot of nice watches (Daytonas, vintage Rolex, deep sea, Lange 1, Fifty Fathoms, etc....) (I only list to help with history) and this is, by far, my favorite. I thought the 3 straps was kind of gimmicky, but I switch them all the time.

Btw - I know everyone loves the blue, but silver is my favorite. So timeless and classic.

That silver dial looks really nice. You can’t go wrong no matter the dial color. When I think the blue dial is the way to go, I take a look at yours and I change my mind. The same thing happens to me with the black and also with the brown dial. Go figure.

[dnpina]

Spectacular timepiece

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[Nightdate]

Originally Posted by raclaims

Another great thing with mine at least (tourbillon) is the power reserve...I wore my watch last on Friday, put it on today (Tuesday) and still keeping perfect time.

Amazing

Just noticed...80 hours power reserve on the Tourb. Very impressive!

[PhilLynott]

I'm assuming bought new from dealer these go for retail and never under?

What about used can they be found at discounts out there?

I'm probably 2 years away and know things can change in markets in that time (maybe for the better as more used inventory) but just trying to plan things as this is my grail as well.

[STLrolexfan]

Originally Posted by PhilLynott

I'm assuming bought new from dealer these go for retail and never under?

What about used can they be found at discounts out there?

I'm probably 2 years away and know things can change in markets in that time (maybe for the better as more used inventory) but just trying to plan things as this is my grail as well.

Deals can be had from ADs under MSRP, though will depend on model. Shop around.


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