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Old 30 November 2021, 12:30 AM   #1
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1973 1680 mk4 red or 1965 5513 gilt

Hi fellow rolex forum member.
I have the chance to buy either one since mu budget is only for one. I know its a different watch but i like both of them. I havent seen it in person because of travel restriction. I am also new to vintage rolex.

The 1680 comes with 9315 bracelet but different endlink 258 and newer 93150 clasp. The 1965 5513 gilt comes with c+i 76 bracelet so both bracelet is not correct. The 1680 comes with box and paper and it say it was belong to a military hence the engraving at the back.

My question is the watch come with correct insert and what do you think the condition of the dial and is it a good piece which one is better?

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Old 30 November 2021, 12:42 AM   #2
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Are you sure that the 5513 is gilt?
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Old 30 November 2021, 12:50 AM   #3
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The red sub all day long and near certain the 5513 is a late 60's non-gilt meters first, bezel insert on 5513 looks thin. If you get the 5513, shot me the link to that red sub.
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Old 30 November 2021, 01:40 AM   #4
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I like the 5513 more, I would double check that dial too for condition etc.
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Old 30 November 2021, 02:05 AM   #5
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Hi

So the original owner bought it from here and this is exactly the same watch
https://awadwatches.com/product/1965...ssy-gilt-dial/

Thats what he said for the 5513 gilt
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Old 30 November 2021, 02:33 AM   #6
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So the original owner bought it from here and this is exactly the same watch
https://awadwatches.com/product/1965...ssy-gilt-dial/

Thats what he said for the 5513 gilt
Their ad / pictures usually disappear after the watch is sold, that's what I've noticed. Regardless, ask for pictures and a video showing the "super glossy" dial. Also, the insert is a later version.

DISREGARD: I saw the youtube video in the corner and here it is for others to check out. I still like it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYSHZf-mSX8

Last edited by swaini3; 30 November 2021 at 02:39 AM.. Reason: Corrected info.
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Old 30 November 2021, 02:57 AM   #7
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I guess it is one of those silver gilt dials.
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Old 30 November 2021, 07:57 AM   #8
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Thanks Swaini3 and Dan S i am really new to this vintage and i really need help. What price range do you think its fair for each piece? And are they good piece to buy? In term of collectables which one are more collectable.

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Old 30 November 2021, 08:13 AM   #9
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That 5513 is beautiful and would be my preference of the two, assuming all is good with it. Tough to find matching patina like that, and the tone is stunning.

As for current pricing/value, a quick browse around the Internet should give you a good idea.
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Old 30 November 2021, 09:27 AM   #10
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Tough call... of the 1680 I like the fact that has paper and I like the engraving,
but I think the 5513 is a must in a collection and this one is pretty nice, even though is a "light" gilt...
If you go for the 5513 I would ask for a correct insert
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Old 30 November 2021, 09:31 AM   #11
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hmm I think best to first decide whether you want a date or no-date sub, and then find the best example of that in your budget
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Old 30 November 2021, 01:01 PM   #12
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I don't think I would buy a gilt anything without having it in my hands. Be careful.
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Old 30 November 2021, 01:39 PM   #13
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The silver gilt dial 5513 is a bit of an oddity. 1680 for me, assuming that the poor photo quality isn't trying to hide anything.
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Old 30 November 2021, 07:04 PM   #14
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I don't think I would buy a gilt anything without having it in my hands. Be careful.
Thanks what should i look into when i see the watch in real life. What are the pkinter i may know?

The seller said in real life the writting is gold. I also not sure.

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Old 30 November 2021, 07:05 PM   #15
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The silver gilt dial 5513 is a bit of an oddity. 1680 for me, assuming that the poor photo quality isn't trying to hide anything.
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May i know what is the concern? Sorry im really new.

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Old 30 November 2021, 07:21 PM   #16
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May i know what is the concern? Sorry im really new.

Thanks
Zapokee is merely saying given the photos of the 1680 is not clear, be careful that it isn't trying to hide certain imperfections that a clear shot would have picked up. I would simply ask for clearer photos.
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Old 30 November 2021, 10:08 PM   #17
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The dial of the 5513 doesn’t look gilt to me. Do you have a serial number? The insert is also a later replacement. It should have a long 5. Maybe this is a 1966 serial and is one of the early non gilt dials?
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Old 1 December 2021, 03:30 PM   #18
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The dial of the 5513 doesn’t look gilt to me. Do you have a serial number? The insert is also a later replacement. It should have a long 5. Maybe this is a 1966 serial and is one of the early non gilt dials?
THe seller state that it was 1965, i am asking the serial number but he said to wait until i saw the watch and he will open the bracelet. what serial is the maximum for gilt dial. i have attach the link that he purchased from he will provide all the invoice from the previous purchase

https://awadwatches.com/product/1965...ssy-gilt-dial/
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Old 1 December 2021, 03:30 PM   #19
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Zapokee is merely saying given the photos of the 1680 is not clear, be careful that it isn't trying to hide certain imperfections that a clear shot would have picked up. I would simply ask for clearer photos.
I will ask for better picture and detail
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Old 1 December 2021, 11:28 PM   #20
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Personally i prefer the 5513 dial.
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Old 2 December 2021, 07:27 PM   #21
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Hi

This is the 1680 close up i am abit concer on the minute marker in the side between 7 to 9 can anyone point it. Im wandering is it dirt or what the white patches.

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Old 3 December 2021, 09:43 AM   #22
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This is the 1680 close up i am abit concer on the minute marker in the side between 7 to 9 can anyone point it. Im wandering is it dirt or what the white patches.
Looks like it's just a bit of aging. Not visibile without a loupe or a high-res photo.

I'm actually enjoying those scratches on the insert at 3 and 6 o'clock. A life well lived.
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Old 3 December 2021, 03:22 PM   #23
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Looks like it's just a bit of aging. Not visibile without a loupe or a high-res photo.

I'm actually enjoying those scratches on the insert at 3 and 6 o'clock. A life well lived.

Thanks i am asking for high res. Bevause that seem small white patches but i dont knownim really beginner. And the hash marker look different colour
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Old 3 December 2021, 03:35 PM   #24
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I prefer the 1680 red sub with box papers and provenance, but too bad the bezel insert is scratched all to hell… Still not a show stopper though as it is quite a desirable watch…
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Old 5 December 2021, 05:55 PM   #25
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gilt over red for me
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Old 10 December 2021, 03:19 AM   #26
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Hi is it possible the red sub have IV.72 with 73 paper and serial 276xxx?

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Old 10 December 2021, 03:29 AM   #27
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Initially I would have gone with the 5513 regardless of the bracelet and insert..but upon further inspection I’d go w the 1680. The case of the 5513 is suspiciously perfect IMO.
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Old 10 December 2021, 03:37 AM   #28
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The engraving on the 1680 would put me off, you’ll always be wearing somebody else’s watch.
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Old 10 December 2021, 03:42 AM   #29
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Yeah honestly I recant my previous statement. I wouldn’t buy either without handling them either.
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Old 10 December 2021, 11:18 AM   #30
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Thanks i decided i will fly there and see the watch ath the end of the year. But the 1680 red i ask about serial number and caseback. The serial number is 276xxxx caseback stamp is IV.72 with 73 paper. Is it possible? Or is it correct?
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