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Old 7 October 2018, 01:15 AM   #1
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Auto Rolex needs a shake to start even with hand winding

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I recently acquired a Rolex Explorer 114270 from 2005. Service history unknown. When the watch comes to a stop, winding the crown will not cause it to start up, it needs a shake to get the second hand moving. However, I did a test where I started with it fully stopped and out of charge, wound the crown 60 times and then shook the watch for 5 seconds, then set it down, and it did run for the 48 hours of full power reserve. So, I know the hand winding does in fact charge the mainspring. It's jsut that hand winding alone will not cause the second hand to start running.

Anything to worry about here?

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Old 7 October 2018, 05:38 AM   #2
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Pretty common for a mechanical watch and many other gear operated machines.
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Old 7 October 2018, 06:47 AM   #3
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Time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
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Old 8 October 2018, 11:03 PM   #4
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time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
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Old 8 October 2018, 11:17 PM   #5
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Time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
I have bought multiple new rolexes the last few years and that is not my experience. I have two submariners for example that are from 2017 and 2018, either one has to be almost fully wind or needs a little shake to get ticking.
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Old 23 January 2020, 05:56 AM   #6
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Just received my 126710BLRO pepsi a month ago and im experiencing the exact same thing you mentioned above. I also noticed that all my other watches start ticking after a few winds from a complete stop howevrt that is not the case with my brand new pepsi. After a conplete dead stop i would manually wind it 50+ times and it would not start. Only after a shake would it start. Can someone let us know if this is normal?


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. . . Can someone let us know if this is normal?


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A watch movement is made up of 200 individual parts. Many of these parts are moving and must mesh or slide with other parts; there is also a certain amount of torque that is inherent in the gear train as the mainspring must push against it all to get it moving.

Once in a while we need to physically break the "torque lock" of some parts pressing against others, or overcome extra friction that may be at some critical parts.

In a perfect world it would all be precisely lubed and free of friction - real life is seldom perfect. Give it a light tap with a finger, or a quick flick, you won't break it.
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Old 23 January 2020, 09:46 AM   #8
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My Omega PO 2500 has been doing the same for a while too.

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Old 24 January 2020, 05:35 PM   #9
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A watch movement is made up of 200 individual parts. Many of these parts are moving and must mesh or slide with other parts; there is also a certain amount of torque that is inherent in the gear train as the mainspring must push against it all to get it moving.

Once in a while we need to physically break the "torque lock" of some parts pressing against others, or overcome extra friction that may be at some critical parts.

In a perfect world it would all be precisely lubed and free of friction - real life is seldom perfect. Give it a light tap with a finger, or a quick flick, you won't break it.
Thanks for the prompt response.

I understand that this could be an occasional thing now. However this is the only way it will start up after a complete stop. FYI it is brand new bought in December 2019 from the AD. Should I be considered that it is happening now, right out the box and not after many years?
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Old 24 January 2020, 09:20 PM   #10
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Thanks for the prompt response.

I understand that this could be an occasional thing now. However this is the only way it will start up after a complete stop. FYI it is brand new bought in December 2019 from the AD. Should I be considered that it is happening now, right out the box and not after many years?
Depends on how you were winding it as they only wind on the forward wind and the 32 series movement would need around 60 full crown turns clockwise only to fully wind mainspring.Even after a manual wind some might even then need a gentle shake to start all normal.As long as it keeps running keeping good time you have nothing to worry about.
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Old 27 September 2021, 02:11 AM   #11
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Glad I found this thread

I recently purchased a 14270 that was RSC serviced about a year ago under prior ownership. I have the warranty tag with the data of 1/2020. I was getting concerned that my caliber 3000 would wind, keep great time, and have adaquate power reserve but would not run after winding when fully wound down. It requires a mild shake to get it going. I only have a few months of warranty from the RSC service and considered sending it back, but if this is normal I won't bother.

I have had this problem with older vintage watches with unknown service history but did not expect it with this watch. Glad to read it is not abnormal.
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Old 29 September 2021, 06:51 AM   #12
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I have the same behavior with my Explorer II 16570 2008. It happens about 50 percent of the time. I get 25 full turns and it will start or it won't. I give it a little shake and away it goes. The watch was serviced about 3 years ago. It's part of a collection and spends a lot of time in the watch box. I don't keep my watches on winders, I hand wind every couple of days when I remember, so it probably runs down once a week. And could sit in an unwound state for a few days. My 2021 DateJust starts after about 20 turns as does my Tudor Chrono and 2016 Sub.

I wouldn't bother getting OCD about it, I think it's just the character of the movement and it likes a gentle tap to get going.
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Old 29 September 2021, 07:34 AM   #13
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In theory your watch should start as soon as you wind it. The lever escapement is designed to be self starting, it achieves this because when at rest and completely wound down one the escape wheel teeth should line on the impulse face of the entry pallet stone.

However in practice this doesn't always happen, if the watch has not been looked at for some time then the chances are the oil on the pallet stones and escape wheel teeth are less "fresh" and more gummed than when first applied and as a result the power that would normally be enough to start the watch is no longer enough. Add this to the natural weakening of the mainspring over time and the gumming up of oil throughout the train (not just the pallets and escape teeth) and in the balance settings the chances of a watch that hasn't been looked at for some time are quite slim. Sometimes it can just be, it takes more power for the initial first impulse to move the pallet fork which then in turn has to move the balance. However it should at some point between no wind and full wind start its self

In your case I wouldn't worry an awful lot this doesn't necessarily mean "go get it serviced immediately" but I would recommend you do have it serviced in the near future given you are unsure of the history.
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Old 29 September 2021, 07:37 AM   #14
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Interesting but all the 32xx movements I’ve owned start after about 10-15 winds from a dead stop:2

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Old 30 September 2021, 01:33 AM   #15
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Interesting but all the 32xx movements Iíve owned start after about 10-15 winds from a dead stop:2

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My 32xx watches start ticking a bit faster than the 31xx I had previously. Could be due to the lower amplitude design of the 32xx? But any modern Rolex I've owned has taken noticeably longer to start ticking as compared to any of my ETA powered watches. Interestingly, the 1575 in my 1970s GMT starts ticking almost immediately upon winding.
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Old 3 October 2021, 09:27 PM   #16
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I had a 114270 m serial (2009) that even after service would require a quick shake to get going as well. I would give it a full 40-50 turn wind and a brisk flick of the wrist and it would moving. It was quite accurate still. Ran at +3 a day for about 3 years while I had it.
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Old 21 October 2021, 01:26 PM   #17
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Time for a service. A freshly serviced or new watch will start running with only a few turns of the crown from a dead stop. Probably a bit of beat error, dried oil or both going on.
Rubbish. It's perfectly normal for a mechanical movement to require a little touch to get going on occasion. Fear not. If it's keeping good time and the power reserve is normal, you're fine.
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