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JJ Irani · 10 March 2006, 04:57 PM

Hi guys,

Remember my TT Blue Sub? Well it had the FLAT "S" font on its name (Submariner) as in the pic below...

Now take a look at my new 16610...same thing!!

Try and notice other subtle dial differences. For e.g. the 1 in my 1000 is straight with no tail on top. Some dials might have the '1' with a tail on top. Many other interesting details can be compared and observed. Even the 'm' (after 300) is more slanting than some dials which have a rather straight 'm'.

JJ

JJ Irani · 10 March 2006, 05:00 PM

Now compare those fonts with Clifton's Sub...pictured below!

C.J. · 10 March 2006, 05:02 PM

Thats easily explainable, JJ. Yours is a fake

JJ Irani · 10 March 2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.J.

Thats easily explainable, JJ. Yours is a fake

...and you need to be in bed, tosser. It's way past 2 am in the morning there!

C.J. · 10 March 2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

...and you need to be in bed, tosser. It's way past 2 am in the morning there!

I can't, i just got home from babysitt, er, a, I mean work

mailman · 10 March 2006, 08:05 PM

Mine is like Clifton's. Your "1" in 1000ft has no tail on it either.

padi56 · 10 March 2006, 08:15 PM

Think its about time this topic was about sheep,Craig just home from his babysit work,he can try counting them, and Pauls playing been with his Tail.

Rockrolex · 10 March 2006, 11:44 PM

Have you measured the slant on the "m", JJ? How many microns off vertical are they? C'mon, you gotta be specific with your measurements so we can be assured they really are different.

10 March 2006, 11:50 PM

I agree with CJ. If your blue sub and the current 16610 have the flat 's' and no 'serif' on the numeral '1' then yours is obviously a fake and Mansor's is a large distributor of Italian-made fakes.

Rockrolex · 10 March 2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

I agree with CJ. If your blue sub and the current 16610 have the flat 's' and no 'serif' on the numeral '1' then yours is obviously a fake and Mansor's is a large distributor of Italian-made fakes.

John, you are denigrating the Italians. They make much better "replicas" than that. It's clearly a Chinese copy, which the Chinese farm out to the Laotians who make them cheaper than the Chinese can.

mineral · 10 March 2006, 11:59 PM

Just kidding my friend.

let have more beer now

Earl · 11 March 2006, 01:29 AM

Here we go again, hmmm wonder how many suppliers Rolex is useing for their Submariner dials. If they don't use suppliers and are completly inhouse then why the differances?

It's simple as the crack in my _$$, one is a fake!

Prince · 11 March 2006, 07:12 AM

JJ - I have looked at every picture of a Submariner I could get my hands on (hundreds), and have looked at my own TT Blue Sub (1998 vintage), and NONE of them have the flat "S", as in your photos.

Hmmmm...

BTW, will be posting pics of my newly-acquired TT Blue over the weekend. A great stable mate to my other TT Rollies!

Sam · 11 March 2006, 08:42 AM

I think it's an omen JJ. It means you need to sell this one, too!

Rto · 11 March 2006, 09:03 AM

Hey JJ,

Seriously now...I just came form my friends' house and he has a 16610...the S is not flat like yours!! He bought thru an AD (Mayors)...
I think you have to go back at Mansors and ask about it man!
(maybe that's the reason you get always a big discount over there...)
Sorry, but this is the truth!

JJ Irani · 11 March 2006, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rto

Hey JJ,

Seriously now...I just came form my friends' house and he has a 16610...the S is not flat like yours!! He bought thru an AD (Mayors)...
I think you have to go back at Mansors and ask about it man!
(maybe that's the reason you get always a big discount over there...)
Sorry, but this is the truth!

Trying to improve your tosser status and ranking, I see....hmmmmm.....you are going about it the right way, tosser!!

dman · 11 March 2006, 01:38 PM

My old 16613 had the flat S, just different dial makers. Just because it is a D,F or Y doesn't mean the dial was made this year. It is not like they have tweaked the look of the dial in the last 20 years.

NoVaWatchLvr · 11 March 2006, 02:12 PM

Meds, JJ. Meds!

JJ Irani · 11 March 2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NoVaWatchLvr

Meds, JJ. Meds!

With just 39 posts in FOUR months, you need Boosters, Andrew!

Rto · 11 March 2006, 02:16 PM

Hey JJ,

Seriously... I wanna know from wich part of China came your Sub or a reasonable explanation for that

NoVaWatchLvr · 12 March 2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rto

Hey JJ,

Seriously... I wanna know from wich part of China came your Sub or a reasonable explanation for that

Proabably the same place his god awful tt YM came from.

And JJ, I am not up to your level of posting because......there is no way I could compete with you.

JJ Irani · 12 March 2006, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoVaWatchLvr

Proabably the same place his god awful tt YM came from.

And JJ, I am not up to your level of posting because......there is no way I could compete with you.

Who's even asking you to compete, Andrew....just post away to your heart's content. But when you post, make it a nice positive one.

Thank you.

Prince · 13 March 2006, 12:59 AM

Well, what do you know, JJ. I found a pic of a Blue Sub with the flat "S". See below. First one I have ever seen (other than yours), but obviously they exist in their authentic state. This one is offered by AstorLive on eBay - a trusted dealer in 100% authentic Rolex watches. So, you're not as crazy as one might suspect!

JJ Irani · 13 March 2006, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

Well, what do you know, JJ. I found a pic of a Blue Sub with the flat "S". See below. First one I have ever seen (other than yours), but obviously they exist in their authentic state. This one is offered by AstorLive on eBay - a trusted dealer in 100% authentic Rolex watches. So, you're not as crazy as one might suspect!

Thanks, Prince....actually, there are quite a few of those flat "S" fonts going around....perhaps we just haven't noticed until this subject was brought to our attention.

Prince · 13 March 2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

...perhaps we just haven't noticed until this subject was brought to our attention.

Yep. Don'tcha just love a good mystery?

JJ Irani · 13 March 2006, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince

Yep. Don'tcha just love a good mystery?

I do!!

Clifton · 13 March 2006, 03:57 AM

Hi Guys,

The flat 'S' has been around for some time and is not really that rare a breed nor an anomaly. Actually in the vintage Rolex world it is quite common.

Here is a Sub Ref 1680 circa 1970 with a flat 'S':

Here is another Ref 5513 circa 1981 with a flat 'S':

Prince · 13 March 2006, 04:02 AM

Thanks for the additional info, Clifton. It was still fun to investigate!

JJ Irani · 13 March 2006, 04:02 AM

Thanks for the update, Clifton. That'll convince some of these tossers that mine are not fakes!!

Prince · 13 March 2006, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

...That'll convince some of these tossers that mine are not fakes!!

No no! YOURS are still fakes!!!

10 March 2006, 04:57 PM	#1
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	How's this for a COINCIDENCE, guys? Hi guys, Remember my TT Blue Sub? Well it had the FLAT "S" font on its name (Submariner) as in the pic below... Now take a look at my new 16610...same thing!! Try and notice other subtle dial differences. For e.g. the 1 in my 1000 is straight with no tail on top. Some dials might have the '1' with a tail on top. Many other interesting details can be compared and observed. Even the 'm' (after 300) is more slanting than some dials which have a rather straight 'm'. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!! Last edited by JJ Irani; 10 March 2006 at 04:58 PM..

10 March 2006, 05:00 PM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Now compare those fonts with Clifton's Sub...pictured below! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

10 March 2006, 05:02 PM	#3
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	Thats easily explainable, JJ. Yours is a fake __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

10 March 2006, 08:05 PM	#6
mailman TRF Moderator & DATE-JUST41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,396	Mine is like Clifton's. Your "1" in 1000ft has no tail on it either. __________________ JJ

10 March 2006, 08:15 PM	#7
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,548	Think its about time this topic was about sheep,Craig just home from his babysit work,he can try counting them, and Pauls playing been with his Tail. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

10 March 2006, 11:44 PM	#8
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,650	Have you measured the slant on the "m", JJ? How many microns off vertical are they? C'mon, you gotta be specific with your measurements so we can be assured they really are different. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

10 March 2006, 11:50 PM	#9
Atomic Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with CJ. If your blue sub and the current 16610 have the flat 's' and no 'serif' on the numeral '1' then yours is obviously a fake and Mansor's is a large distributor of Italian-made fakes.

10 March 2006, 11:59 PM	#11
mineral "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,670	Hi JJ, if the 1 without the tail is fake! Just kidding my friend. let have more beer now __________________ Watching date changes every midnight

11 March 2006, 01:29 AM	#12
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Here we go again, hmmm wonder how many suppliers Rolex is useing for their Submariner dials. If they don't use suppliers and are completly inhouse then why the differances? It's simple as the crack in my _$$, one is a fake!

11 March 2006, 07:12 AM	#13
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	JJ - I have looked at every picture of a Submariner I could get my hands on (hundreds), and have looked at my own TT Blue Sub (1998 vintage), and NONE of them have the flat "S", as in your photos. Hmmmm... BTW, will be posting pics of my newly-acquired TT Blue over the weekend. A great stable mate to my other TT Rollies! __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson Last edited by Prince; 11 March 2006 at 07:14 AM..

11 March 2006, 08:42 AM	#14
Sam Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Watch: Yes...too many!!! Posts: 426	I think it's an omen JJ. It means you need to sell this one, too!

11 March 2006, 09:03 AM	#15
Rto "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Renato T. Location: Sunny Florida Watch: FPJ-AP-PP-Rolex Posts: 538	"S" flat limited editon in honor to a Sheeper lover Hey JJ, Seriously now...I just came form my friends' house and he has a 16610...the S is not flat like yours!! He bought thru an AD (Mayors)... I think you have to go back at Mansors and ask about it man! (maybe that's the reason you get always a big discount over there...) Sorry, but this is the truth!

11 March 2006, 01:38 PM	#17
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,583	My old 16613 had the flat S, just different dial makers. Just because it is a D,F or Y doesn't mean the dial was made this year. It is not like they have tweaked the look of the dial in the last 20 years. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

11 March 2006, 02:12 PM	#18
NoVaWatchLvr Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 40	Meds, JJ. Meds!

11 March 2006, 02:16 PM	#20
Rto "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Renato T. Location: Sunny Florida Watch: FPJ-AP-PP-Rolex Posts: 538	Hey JJ, Seriously... I wanna know from wich part of China came your Sub or a reasonable explanation for that

13 March 2006, 12:59 AM	#23
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Well, what do you know, JJ. I found a pic of a Blue Sub with the flat "S". See below. First one I have ever seen (other than yours), but obviously they exist in their authentic state. This one is offered by AstorLive on eBay - a trusted dealer in 100% authentic Rolex watches. So, you're not as crazy as one might suspect! __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson Last edited by Prince; 13 March 2006 at 01:00 AM..

13 March 2006, 03:57 AM	#27
Clifton Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 148	Hi Guys, The flat 'S' has been around for some time and is not really that rare a breed nor an anomaly. Actually in the vintage Rolex world it is quite common. Here is a Sub Ref 1680 circa 1970 with a flat 'S': Here is another Ref 5513 circa 1981 with a flat 'S': Last edited by Clifton; 13 March 2006 at 03:58 AM..

13 March 2006, 04:02 AM	#28
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Thanks for the additional info, Clifton. It was still fun to investigate! __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

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