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Pongster · 29 July 2020, 07:33 PM

The patek website currently describes the 5327J as:

“5327J
GRAND COMPLICATIONS
SELF-WINDING
A new self-winding perpetual calendar has been added to the Patek Philippe collection. It comes in a Calatrava case with beautifully scalloped lugs and applied Breguet numerals.
The yellow- and rosegold models feature ivory lacquered dials with recessed counters. The white-gold version has a blue sunburst dial. The watches come with a sapphire-crystal case back and an interchangeable solid-gold back.”

So it is not a Calatrava model (since it is in the Grand Complications Collection and not the Calatrava Collection) but it comes in a Calatrava case?

Or it is also a Calatrava?

Do the perpetual calendar chronographs like the 3970E also come in a Calatrava case?

Asking here for my education and because you are the Patek experts. Thanks.

jon_jon · 29 July 2020, 10:20 PM

The case of the 5327 is similar to the case of the 5227 Calatrava. It was a new case design they introduced in 2013 that has been used in a number of references.

Pongster · 30 July 2020, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jon_jon

The case of the 5327 is similar to the case of the 5227 Calatrava. It was a new case design they introduced in 2013 that has been used in a number of references.

Thanks. Is the case for the PCCs the same as well? Or must be thicker because of the added complication?

jon_jon · 30 July 2020, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pongster

Thanks. Is the case for the PCCs the same as well? Or must be thicker because of the added complication?

Patek hasn't changed the case design for the PCC. As you mentioned, the additional chronograph complication makes the 5270 thicker than a PC. The 5327 is quite thin compared to the other PCs because of the thin 240Q movement. 5327 is probably not much thicker than the 5227, which has a 324 movement.

Pongster · 30 July 2020, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jon_jon

Patek hasn't changed the case design for the PCC. As you mentioned, the additional chronograph complication makes the 5270 thicker than a PC. The 5327 is quite thin compared to the other PCs because of the thin 240Q movement. 5327 is probably not much thicker than the 5227, which has a 324 movement.

Thanks. So the PCC cases are not “calatrava” cases.

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Ichiran · 30 July 2020, 05:20 PM

Could that be a typo? I checked 5227 and 5205 pages but I could not find the term "Calatrava case". I have not seen Patek define a "Calatrava case" before, or this being documented in Hodinkee or other watch websites.

Pongster · 31 July 2020, 11:46 AM

The 5227 is part of the Calatrava collection. Go to website, go to Collections and on scroll down menu you will see Calatrava. If you click, the 5227 is among those.

In the Grand Complications page, listed is the 5327 which is as described above.

The 5205 is in the Complications page. Not described as a Calatrava case.

29 July 2020, 07:33 PM	#1
Pongster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Marikina Posts: 2,561	Calatrava The patek website currently describes the 5327J as: “5327J GRAND COMPLICATIONS SELF-WINDING A new self-winding perpetual calendar has been added to the Patek Philippe collection. It comes in a Calatrava case with beautifully scalloped lugs and applied Breguet numerals. The yellow- and rosegold models feature ivory lacquered dials with recessed counters. The white-gold version has a blue sunburst dial. The watches come with a sapphire-crystal case back and an interchangeable solid-gold back.” So it is not a Calatrava model (since it is in the Grand Complications Collection and not the Calatrava Collection) but it comes in a Calatrava case? Or it is also a Calatrava? Do the perpetual calendar chronographs like the 3970E also come in a Calatrava case? Asking here for my education and because you are the Patek experts. Thanks.

29 July 2020, 10:20 PM	#2
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,341	The case of the 5327 is similar to the case of the 5227 Calatrava. It was a new case design they introduced in 2013 that has been used in a number of references.

30 July 2020, 05:20 PM	#6
Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,621	Could that be a typo? I checked 5227 and 5205 pages but I could not find the term "Calatrava case". I have not seen Patek define a "Calatrava case" before, or this being documented in Hodinkee or other watch websites.

31 July 2020, 11:46 AM	#7
Pongster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Marikina Posts: 2,561	The 5227 is part of the Calatrava collection. Go to website, go to Collections and on scroll down menu you will see Calatrava. If you click, the 5227 is among those. In the Grand Complications page, listed is the 5327 which is as described above. The 5205 is in the Complications page. Not described as a Calatrava case.

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