Submariner Dial - Is this damage?

[037]

Does this have an AR cyclops crystal as well or is it just the lighting? I hate to call this a parts-bin special since that might be offensive to parts bins.

Jokes aside, I assume this was priced accordingly?

[springer]

Originally Posted by Styles Bitchley

Yeah. I always like Springer’s mic drops.


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Just the facts Joe, just the facts.

[springer]

Originally Posted by 037

Is there any evidence of shine on the gold surrounds or tritium plots? That would help determine if it was sprayed with lacquer or if the paint has simply bubbled with age. The lighting might be making it look worse than in person.

I'd still file it under damage, although it still could be natural and not purposely induced. Spider dials are damaged in my book as well.

Good point about respraying the dial. Let me further detail my response regarding it being "resprayed." It can have lacquer or whatever substance one adds to the dial whether it is sprayed, brushed or dabbed on to the dial. Additionally if sprayed, it would not be too hard to cover the markers with jewelers gum, rodico, tape etc.

[BrazenC5]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

I bring this up because something very similar just happened to my ‘66 gilt dial 5513 after a servicing. The result of which I am not calling patina.

I have a 66 gilt also and your post scared me.

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[springer]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

I know the semantics of this can be discussed forever, but aren’t we just substituting “tropical” for “degrading” or “corroding”?
This, from a very reputable dealer whom I like, is described as an excellent gilt tropical dial.





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I would call it an excellent damaged dial. I hope you still like me too Andy.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by springer

I would call it an excellent damaged dial. I hope you still like me too Andy.

Love you, John!

[037]

Originally Posted by springer

Good point about respraying the dial. Let me further detail my response regarding it being "resprayed." It can have lacquer or whatever substance one adds to the dial whether it is sprayed, brushed or dabbed on to the dial. Additionally if sprayed, it would not be too hard to cover the markers with jewelers gum, rodico, tape etc.

I suppose I'll further add to get a macro of the dial text since it should show whether or not an additional layer of lacquer is on top. If the dial text is clearly visible as the top-most layer then it's likely the original paint that has bubbled. And, even if the plots were carefully masked off, you'd see evidence of lacquer buildup around the outer perimeters of the gold surrounds.

We might need to see this dial in-person to really know. But, a macro or three under good lighting would be great.

[Danj338]

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[springer]

This is tropical. A vintage 1960s Datejust with a gilt black dial that has turned a nice chocolate brown color.