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1 April 2020, 03:53 PM | #91 |
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Nice work.
Some if these watches were going down way before the covid19. The 126710blnr (i.e. batgirl) is one of them. |
1 April 2020, 04:03 PM | #92 |
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[QUOTE]There is no such thing as either, dude. Nicknames are just that./QUOTE]
Rolex would disagree with you. |
1 April 2020, 04:30 PM | #93 |
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Thank you OP. Seems the real bloodletting will be with other brands.
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The Rolex fanbois are hilarious. The term Batgirl causes people to triple check their bifocals around here. And actually cause arguments! Batman, Batgirl, they're both silly nicknames for your watch. To take issue with either is to truly be someone that everyone else loves to laugh at. Funny as hell, you Batgirl whiners.
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1 April 2020, 05:33 PM | #97 |
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1 April 2020, 05:59 PM | #98 |
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I'm not paying more for a used second hand item. Sod that! Have you seen how many there are?
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1 April 2020, 06:15 PM | #100 |
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I also love the ads that say "brand new never worn" yet includes wristshots out in the garden and around the house :)
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1 April 2020, 06:24 PM | #102 |
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Not the ones where ADs sell back door straight to dealers. There’s no difference between those and what you get from an AD
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I’m surprised how many people on here post photos and comments about how they have, and been allowed to by ADs, try on a watch which is already sold to someone else. I suspect that there are very few watches which can truthfully be described as “Never worn” after they have arrived at an AD’s. |
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1 April 2020, 06:51 PM | #105 | |
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Surely you have just proved my point! The AD sells them to the dealer who then sells them to their customer. The customer then buys a watch previously owned by the dealer therefore they are buying a second hand watch. If the customer had bought direct from the AD, the manufacturer’s approved distributor, they are buying new, they are the “first hand” to own the watch after the officially approved distributor. If the AD sells to a dealer, the dealer is the first hand, the person who then buys from the dealer is the second hand. First or second hand has nothing to do with the physical condition of an item, the terms relate to the number of previous owners the item has had since it left the manufacturer’s official sales dept or distributor. You could buy an “as new” watch from a dealer, but it is still second hand. If it was new how much did you pay for it? If it was new you would have paid the manufacturer’s retail price from an AD. If you have paid more than the manufacturer’s retail price where has the difference in price gone to? It’s gone to the dealer who owned it after the AD and before you. The difference you paid went to the first owner who chose to sell their item on for a profit to another who bought the item “used” or second hand. The first owner “used” their watch to make a profit even if they did not wear it. |
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1 April 2020, 08:53 PM | #107 |
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Hopefully.
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Tons of second hand watches on the market. It’s not like they were produced in limited quantities. Imagine being the guy who paid double msrp for a used watch these last 2 years. I’d be sick to my stomach watching this. I’d probably actually sell right now to recoup some of my loss and then reacquire down the road at less than msrp |
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If you’re after a date just, then maybe under list. However if you’re expecting a ceramic GMT Pepsi, batgirl, LV, Daytona etc to sell under list, you’ll have a LONG wait in my opinion |
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Interesting information and based on the data and methodology used by the OP some interesting facts and trends can be seen. The time horizon is the factor that will allow us to see how this progresses and if we are seeing true trends or if we are seeing an anomaly created by the current world conditions. I believe we will see a dip in prices, not supper significant, when comparing asking and getting prices. Several of the factors we will not ever have is how much the Grey Sellers have in a watch and what is the amount they will take. If a Trusted Seller lists a hot SS Daytona for 22k and will only take a slight reduction in selling price and had previously listed the watch for 24K and would take $1500-2000 off we are close to the same place price wise. I also believe that many of the larger sellers will be buying everything they can get. When we begin to lift out of the current situation availability will be more limited from AD's as many have sold held back inventory. Rolex will have limited supply as production shutdowns will take a toll on the number of watches available and prices will blow up. If you think the whining is bad now about price and availability wait till we lift out. I will follow this thread and I look forward to new data and the comments of my fellow TRF members.
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I’m finding out exactly how much many of my friends had saved in the bank.....because they’re talking about how they barely have enough to make NYC rent this month and if something doesn’t change, they’re screwed come May 1. These are definitely not min wage people either, they own nice things. I don’t even want to think about normal Joe with a family who just lost his job. That’s terrifying.
It truly bamboozles me that so many people are naive to the fact of how the majority of Americans essentially live paycheck to paycheck. Most people change their spending habits/lifestyle dependent on their income, so a higher income doesn’t actually result in more money saved. Everything is not just going to be ‘okay’ and we rise out of this as if nothing happened. If a vaccine was released in two weeks there’s already MAJOR damage done. There’s a domino effect in progress with this health crisis creating an unemployment crisis and there’s about to be a housing crisis. But everybody keep believing what they want to believe. I’m pretty sure with every downturn you have naysayers until the last minute. |
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I thought he was a rare bird, as he is let’s say a not very inquisitive person. The people posting here wishing for MSRP are not him, or the people you described. The ‘wish the market would crash’ types are here for the hype and are jealous daydreamers I’ve never bought anything for more than MSRP either btw, I’ve never been that desperate for a watch. But ofcourse you’d care what it’s worth when you leave the store. the brand depends on it. You wouldn’t care if your (say) $5000 steel ladies datejust is worth $50 the moment you left the store? |
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So if you want the market to return to normal (as in if a watch has a MSRP, that’s what it sells at), where it was for 50+ years up until this small blip since around 2016/17, it means you’re a jealous daydreamer? |
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I think I have a partial answer. The people that have the attitude you’re talking about are probably people living in a gated community feeling secure and have a very nice nest egg and retirement. I swear these people have no idea of the tsunami storm that’s going to be unleashed when millions upon millions of Americans can’t afford the rent or food.
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Either way, in the event of crash / recession, and the watch returning to MSRP or under, means the watch will no longer be hot, and no one cares, the party is over, so there is no kudos. I.e. 1) is invalid during the said potential crash. And 2) they won’t feel so smug about those who paid over MSRP as the interest no longer exists so that feeling will surely dissipate or not exist In the first place. They probably won’t be posting here any more as all hype will be over. It’ll only be Rolex enthusiast like myself who will stick around, who were buying long before 2016/7 and will continue to afterwards In either scenario, that kind person (wishing for economic crash person) will not be buying the piece either now or at MSRP in the future (when used prices drop to that level) and is just a daydreamer. |
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I’m originally from Florida and have tons of friends there who work hospitality as that was my primary source of income throughout high school and undergrad (actually have lived in New Tampa, Channelside, St. Pete and Clearwater beach ). Practically none of them have anything saved and on top of that they have student/credit card debt in addition to normal bills. They’re hurting BAD right now..... |
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