Vacheron Historiques American 1921

[Kliminator]

Originally Posted by sss205

As a bit of an update, I just got a call from the VC e-boutique. They will have a pink gold 36.5mm 1921 for me "early next week". Since I'll be in NYC, I'm trying to arrange a pickup at the boutique, but if not, they'll overnight it to me in Atlanta later.

Either way, it was exactly a 2 week wait for it.

Nice - that seems pretty reasonable. I'd imagine that between the two case sizes, there is prob more demand for the larger size just so people could wear it a little more casually.

Congrats!!

[RaZCaL]

Originally Posted by sss205

As a bit of an update, I just got a call from the VC e-boutique. They will have a pink gold 36.5mm 1921 for me "early next week". Since I'll be in NYC, I'm trying to arrange a pickup at the boutique, but if not, they'll overnight it to me in Atlanta later.

Either way, it was exactly a 2 week wait for it.

That’s awesome! Have you tried on the 36.5mm? How big is your wrist? I found it too small for my wrist as the 40mm fits better.

[sss205]

Originally Posted by RaZCaL

That’s awesome! Have you tried on the 36.5mm? How big is your wrist? I found it too small for my wrist as the 40mm fits better.

What's your wrist size? I felt the 40 wore a bit closer to a 42 when I tried it on, so I'm hoping the 36.5 feels closer to a 38.5, which would be pretty perfect for my 6.5 inch wrist.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow!

[RaZCaL]

Originally Posted by sss205

What's your wrist size? I felt the 40 wore a bit closer to a 42 when I tried it on, so I'm hoping the 36.5 feels closer to a 38.5, which would be pretty perfect for my 6.5 inch wrist.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow!

My wrist is 7 inches. Let us know how it goes.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by RaZCaL

My wrist is 7 inches. Let us know how it goes.

I am a 18cm so it is close to 7”. I tried on both a 36.5 and a 40mm and ended up with 36.5. For the vintage look, I feel that the smaller size works better and this case shape indeed wears larger. I think the 40 definitely feels like a 42.

[Mikegp]

Got the call 2 days ago and got offered the same. But I’m looking for the 40mm. Declined the 36.5.


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[sss205]

Originally Posted by Mikegp

Got the call 2 days ago and got offered the same. But I’m looking for the 40mm. Declined the 36.5.


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Hope you get the call for the 40 soon!

[Gated.6]

I’ve also been considering this piece but am looking for more information on some details. Have not yet reached out to VC about it but saw this post and thought it applicable.

1) What is the dial made from and more importantly how are the indices added? VC info states the indices are painted and all articles I’ve found simply regurgitate this. Are they hand painted? If not, what process is used?

2) What are the bridges made from?

Appreciate any insights.

[sss205]

Originally Posted by Gated.6

I’ve also been considering this piece but am looking for more information on some details. Have not yet reached out to VC about it but saw this post and thought it applicable.

1) What is the dial made from and more importantly how are the indices added? VC info states the indices are painted and all articles I’ve found simply regurgitate this. Are they hand painted? If not, what process is used?

2) What are the bridges made from?

Appreciate any insights.

Here's what I found in my research:
1. It has Arabic numerals painted in black and a Chemin de Fer minute ring. There is also a small seconds between 3 and 4 o’clock. The Breguet-style hour and minute hands are made of 18-carat gold, as is the seconds hand.
https://swisswatches-magazine.com/bl...american-1921/

Regarding the dial, it appears to be a silvered brass dial: https://www.mayors.com/Pre+Owned-Vac...000/p/40990416

2. Not sure I understand the question. Do you mean the materials or if it's hand finished vs machine? My guess is the material is steel, but I'm also not a movement expert.

[Mikegp]

Originally Posted by sss205

Hope you get the call for the 40 soon!

I did!! got the call last thursday. already payed for it and was shipped to my house, but im on vacation and wont get home for another week and a half, its already waiting for me there. Its the 40mm rose.

ill post pics.

I also told them im interested in a 222, they said its harder to get but will let me know...The 1921 is my only purchase from VC, you think thats enough to have them sell me a 222?

[sss205]

Originally Posted by Mikegp

I did!! got the call last thursday. already payed for it and was shipped to my house, but im on vacation and wont get home for another week and a half, its already waiting for me there. Its the 40mm rose.

ill post pics.

I also told them im interested in a 222, they said its harder to get but will let me know...The 1921 is my only purchase from VC, you think thats enough to have them sell me a 222?

I hope so haha. I didn't even have the courage to ask to be put down for a 222 as I picked quite a few others for the wishlist: panda chrono, rose gold blue, or steel blue Overseas, and if they ever make the Everest again, those.

And, congrats! Hopefully the watch isn't sitting outside your house for another week and a half!

Definitely post pics!

[Mikegp]

Originally Posted by sss205

I hope so haha. I didn't even have the courage to ask to be put down for a 222 as I picked quite a few others for the wishlist: panda chrono, rose gold blue, or steel blue Overseas, and if they ever make the Everest again, those.

And, congrats! Hopefully the watch isn't sitting outside your house for another week and a half!

Definitely post pics!

LoL no, I had my sister go to my house and sign for the package.

That’s a nice wishlist. Did they say how long it might take?


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[Gated.6]

Originally Posted by sss205

Here's what I found in my research:
1. It has Arabic numerals painted in black and a Chemin de Fer minute ring. There is also a small seconds between 3 and 4 o’clock. The Breguet-style hour and minute hands are made of 18-carat gold, as is the seconds hand.

Regarding the dial, it appears to be a silvered brass dial:

2. Not sure I understand the question. Do you mean the materials or if it's hand finished vs machine? My guess is the material is steel, but I'm also not a movement expert.

I found out a bit more. Dial is indeed silvered brass. Indices and numerals are printed. Of note, the indices are therefore not hand painted.

Disappointing to me is that the movement bridges are plated brass with the polishing of the anglage happening after the plating. This suggests that the anglage is roughed in via machining then touched up by hand instead of being fully prepared by hand. I was previously under the impression that VC movements were entirely hand finished. Can’t tell you how I arrived at that conclusion but doesn’t not seem to be the case.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Gated.6

I found out a bit more. Dial is indeed silvered brass. Indices and numerals are printed. Of note, the indices are therefore not hand painted.

Disappointing to me is that the movement bridges are plated brass with the polishing of the anglage happening after the plating. This suggests that the anglage is roughed in via machining then touched up by hand instead of being fully prepared by hand. I was previously under the impression that VC movements were entirely hand finished. Can’t tell you how I arrived at that conclusion but doesn’t not seem to be the case.

Don’t let it get you down very few movements these days are entirely hand finished. Mostly micro brands doing that sort of work.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Gated.6

I found out a bit more. Dial is indeed silvered brass. Indices and numerals are printed. Of note, the indices are therefore not hand painted.

Disappointing to me is that the movement bridges are plated brass with the polishing of the anglage happening after the plating. This suggests that the anglage is roughed in via machining then touched up by hand instead of being fully prepared by hand. I was previously under the impression that VC movements were entirely hand finished. Can’t tell you how I arrived at that conclusion but doesn’t not seem to be the case.

I guess the key phrase here is hand “finished”

Even most independents are CNC then hand finished. Sort of like free range chicken, as long as the chicken feet touched the ground in the farm before being slaughtered, it is a free range chicken.

[sss205]

For anyone interested, a 36.5mm white gold 1921 has just been added to the VC online boutique. https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...5QEyCEAF0AvmKA

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by sss205

For anyone interested, a 36.5mm white gold 1921 has just been added to the VC online boutique. https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/...5QEyCEAF0AvmKA

That's great. I would still recommend calling and establishing a relationship with their concierge so you have a real person to reach out to for harder to get pieces.

[sss205]

Originally Posted by EEpro

That's great. I would still recommend calling and establishing a relationship with their concierge so you have a real person to reach out to for harder to get pieces.

Agreed. The relationship part of buying a high end watch at retail was always very important to me.

[Gated.6]

Originally Posted by llngoc

I guess the key phrase here is hand “finished”

Even most independents are CNC then hand finished. Sort of like free range chicken, as long as the chicken feet touched the ground in the farm before being slaughtered, it is a free range chicken.

Aye - Have heard much about Vacheron finishing and so had hoped it was all hand done. Brass bridges, brass dial, printed indices, and a final touch of hand finishing don't make it a less beautiful piece but indeed a different value proposition.