Tudor 94010 Movement

[raxford]

I have the chance to pick up a 94010. Hands have been replaced, which I don't mind as that's just a reality of vintage. My biggest concern is the movement. It was sadly swapped at some point for an ETA 2824.

From a collectable standpoint, this is a huge problem. From a usability standpoint, I don't really care (don't kill me).

Of course, I don't care until I decide to part with it, and everyone else cares.

These have sold recently on ebay for $2.7-4.5k. How badly does the missing movement hurt the value?



Thank you for your knowledge

[Ashton_Horologist]

When you say it was swapped, what do you mean? Does it no longer have a Tudor labeled oscillating weight? Or the whole movement has been replaced?

[raxford]

Originally Posted by Ashton_Horologist

When you say it was swapped, what do you mean? Does it no longer have a Tudor labeled oscillating weight? Or the whole movement has been replaced?

The entire movement has been replaced. Unbranded, Swiss ETA.

The original would have come with an ETA 2667. I would be willing to pick this up, then try to source the 2667 at some point. But I don't know how difficult that will be.

[mrs_LA]

If the movement and the hands have been replaced, who knows what else? The dial looks funny. Some markers align to the bezel, while some markers are completely off. 5-25 looks fine, 30-12 look off and misaligned.

At this point, you are paying for a frankenwatch. With regard to value, it is completely up to the next potential buyer. No collector would purchase a frankenwatch, unless it is a means of showing off what they don't have. You are paying for something that will most likely not retain its value for being a franken.

[Juhuatai]

Dial does look misaligned to my eye.

[tekno]

How do you know, any pics of movement?


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[Ashton_Horologist]

you will need to refresh my memory. What is an ETA 2667??

[raxford]

Originally Posted by tekno

How do you know, any pics of movement?


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Should get them today. Right now it's the owners word.

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[Ashton_Horologist]

I think you mean 2776.

[raxford]

Originally Posted by Ashton_Horologist

I think you mean 2776.

I most certainly do. Can't edit my post from Tapatalk. Thank you for th correction.

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[dhknola]

I can see why you can still enjoy this watch w the replacement hands and replacement movement, but I would pay relatively very little for it; also dial looks wonky and not fitting correctly. I would try to buy the whole thing for the price of the bracelet just in case and if that doesn't fly, not lose a wink of sleep over it.

[raxford]

Originally Posted by dhknola

I can see why you can still enjoy this watch w the replacement hands and replacement movement, but I would pay relatively very little for it; also dial looks wonky and not fitting correctly. I would try to buy the whole thing for the price of the bracelet just in case and if that doesn't fly, not lose a wink of sleep over it.

I agree. I'm moving forward with it. It just makes sense and I have a hard time believing I wouldn't get a return on it for where I am. I'm excited to have my first vintage piece, and at a particularly interesting time with Tudor possibly issuing a re-release of this model next week. We shall see.

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[tekno]

Hate to tell you but that insert may not be right. It looks like some questionable ones that have popped up lately. Look at my thread about my 76100 bezel.

Just figure the bezel insert and bezel could be wrong too. Just be carful.

[raxford]

Originally Posted by tekno

Hate to tell you but that insert may not be right. It looks like some questionable ones that have popped up lately. Look at my thread about my 76100 bezel.

Just figure the bezel insert and bezel could be wrong too. Just be carful.

Thanks very much. I'll take a look at your thread today. It's so difficult with the old watches, when it seems like at times there was no rhyme or reason to tweaks in the design.

My understanding is that they moved from snowflake to the transitional lollipop hand, then to Mercedes in the last year or two.

What should the crystal look like from the side profile? Is it more flush, or more domed? I'm having a hard time finding a profile picture.

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[linesiders]

First off, Boston:

You need much better photos and include photos of the serial and reference number behind the lugs.

The dial has a lot right going for it (much later dial or very tail end of mid 80s 94010 run). Don't worry about the dial angle yet, you need proper centered photos. These are taken at an angle that will badly distort

I DON'T like the case without better photos, hence wanting engravings, as well as back side of case / crownguards

Movement should be a dolled up 2784

Hands may be aftermarket - need better photos

Crown is aftermarket

[raxford]

Originally Posted by linesiders

First off, Boston:



You need much better photos and include photos of the serial and reference number behind the lugs.



The dial has a lot right going for it (much later dial or very tail end of mid 80s 94010 run). Don't worry about the dial angle yet, you need proper centered photos. These are taken at an angle that will badly distort



I DON'T like the case without better photos, hence wanting engravings, as well as back side of case / crownguards



Movement should be a dolled up 2784



Hands may be aftermarket - need better photos



Crown is aftermarket

Thanks for all the information. The movement isn't the 2776?

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[tekno]

Linesiders will know, he is the one that helped me with details on my 76100 when no one else could.




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[linesiders]

Originally Posted by raxford

Thanks for all the information. The movement isn't the 2776?

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Apologies - cough syrup talking - yes 2776 for No Date 94010 ; ) and 2784 is for the date model ; )

Again, need better photos of the case and engravings, entirely possible entire watch is fake and the dial is legit.

Originally Posted by tekno

Linesiders will know, he is the one that helped me with details on my 76100 when no one else could.




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Unless he's strung out on cough / flu syrup ; )

[raxford]

Originally Posted by linesiders

Apologies - cough syrup talking - yes 2776 for No Date 94010 ; ) and 2784 is for the date model ; )

Again, need better photos of the case and engravings, entirely possible entire watch is fake and the dial is legit.




Unless he's strung out on cough / flu syrup ; )

Aye aye. Ok great thank you so much. I have the watch now but I can return it if need be. I will get the case back photos when I'm home from work.

Are there any other angles which would help you to determine it's legitimacy?

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[raxford]

Originally Posted by linesiders

Apologies - cough syrup talking - yes 2776 for No Date 94010 ; ) and 2784 is for the date model ; )

Again, need better photos of the case and engravings, entirely possible entire watch is fake and the dial is legit.
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Ok, I have the watch, but I can return it. Hopefully this shows you everything you need to see. Thank you so much from potentially really saving my butt.

[raxford]

Well, some basic googling on the band shows that it's a total fake.

So now, given that the band is wrong, the end links are wrong, the crown is wrong, the movement is wrong, the HANDS are wrong.

Christ, I'm glad I can get out of it scot free.

[linesiders]

Dial is real, case movement are fake

[raxford]

Originally Posted by linesiders

Dial is real, case movement are fake

Thank you. I've returned the watch, money is back in my hand. Lucky to get this lucky.

Thanks for your help.

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[linesiders]

Originally Posted by raxford

Thank you. I've returned the watch, money is back in my hand. Lucky to get this lucky.

Thanks for your help.

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[tekno]

Originally Posted by linesiders

Apologies - cough syrup talking - yes 2776 for No Date 94010 ; ) and 2784 is for the date model ; )
Again, need better photos of the case and engravings, entirely possible entire watch is fake and the dial is legit.
Unless he's strung out on cough / flu syrup ; )

I was last week too, not the flu but sick as a dog.

I’m glad you got your money back. This is a good reason why I would hate to buy a Tudor sub off eBay, I know you didn’t get it there but with tricky pics it would be harder to tell.

The real question is who sold that? I don’t believe the seller was innocent on this one.



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[harry in montreal]

You did right sending that thing back. If the seller has any decent experience, he should have known and no5 tried to pass it off to you. You should study the ones for sale on trf to understand what the aging looks like on real vintage pieces.