Conspiracy theory

[kinyik]

Hi all, I admit my brain is probably wired to think a hell of a lot deeper than what is logical. So a couple of weeks ago I walked into a fairly reputable jeweller who deal with vintage and modern pieces. I casually asked what my sub 114060 was worth in the current market, the guy brought my watch into the back room to ask his manager. He came about 5-10 minutes later with a quote I was pretty happy with, though I wasn’t interested in selling it yet until I find a BLNR.

Would it be at all possible, that during that 10 minutes, one could have swapped out the original mvmt in my sub for en ETA, or did something unethical to the watch?

I know, I know, this is sounds like a trolling thread, but I’m genuinely curious. In realistic realms, would such short amount of time be possible for one to commit such an act?

I’m asking, as I have pieces that I send off for repairing, and have never once asked to see the movement after the service. Could a watchmaker have swapped out the movement with something else?

Just food for thought on a weekend .


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[jsausley]

No, you couldn't switch out a Rolex movement for an ETA in 10 minutes.

Yes, you could have it done during a service, but no reputable service center would do such a thing.

Does your watch have an ETA movement? There are some high quality fakes out there that feature a well regulated ETA.

[bp1000]

When winding the movement does it feel the same as it always did

Is the power reserve the same as always

Is it operating as expected

Does it keep time as it always did

If you believe a store would do that, see how those questions pan out above.


You would have to be extremely unlucky and find some very deceitful people to experience what you explained at a reputable shop.

[Andad]

To be sure, to be sure.

But probably not.

[Mephist]

Just to add to your paranoia. Could he have switched out the whole watch? Given you a replica back. Spending those 10 minutes, recreating your scratches and dings to make it look similar to the original sub 114060 you gave him

[Rashid.bk]

Probably a little late to really worry now. You'll just drive yourself crazy. If there was any doubt at all, even in just how they handle the watch(might of dropped it back there etc..)then you shouldn't even have considered letting them touch it.

Having said that...I would not worry. Changing out a movement is a much more complex task then 10-15 mics would typically allow. Also an ETA movement sets time differently than a 3130 movement. Clockwise turns=equals clockwise hands, ETA=clockwise turns=counter clockwise hands. You're all good.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by kinyik

Hi all, I admit my brain is probably wired to think a hell of a lot deeper than what is logical. So a couple of weeks ago I walked into a fairly reputable jeweller who deal with vintage and modern pieces. I casually asked what my sub 114060 was worth in the current market, the guy brought my watch into the back room to ask his manager. He came about 5-10 minutes later with a quote I was pretty happy with, though I wasn’t interested in selling it yet until I find a BLNR.

Would it be at all possible, that during that 10 minutes, one could have swapped out the original mvmt in my sub for en ETA, or did something unethical to the watch?

I know, I know, this is sounds like a trolling thread, but I’m genuinely curious. In realistic realms, would such short amount of time be possible for one to commit such an act?

I’m asking, as I have pieces that I send off for repairing, and have never once asked to see the movement after the service. Could a watchmaker have swapped out the movement with something else?

Just food for thought on a weekend .


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Since they are only fairly reputable I think they did it.

[rootbeer7]

Hypothetically, yes, anything is possible. Likelihood and practical ability, very very unlikely. Enjoy your watch.

[kinyik]

Haha thanks all for actually taking time to entertain this delusional soul. The watch was purchased from an AD so no worries about that. The nicks and dings on it are the same, I would know cause I made a very unique scratch on it with a zipper on a jacket. Serial’s still the same, and it’s still losing 2 seconds a day as per before.
Just curious, what with all the fakery and deceitful practices in the world of replicas, about how easy it might be for one to swap out a movement .


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[kinyik]

Originally Posted by bp1000

When winding the movement does it feel the same as it always did



Is the power reserve the same as always



Is it operating as expected



Does it keep time as it always did



If you believe a store would do that, see how those questions pan out above.





You would have to be extremely unlucky and find some very deceitful people to experience what you explained at a reputable shop.

It looks and feels to me ! But you know that indistinguishable paranoia .


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[kinyik]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Probably a little late to really worry now. You'll just drive yourself crazy. If there was any doubt at all, even in just how they handle the watch(might of dropped it back there etc..)then you shouldn't even have considered letting them touch it.

Having said that...I would not worry. Changing out a movement is a much more complex task then 10-15 mics would typically allow. Also an ETA movement sets time differently than a 3130 movement. Clockwise turns=equals clockwise hands, ETA=clockwise turns=counter clockwise hands. You're all good.

Haha thanks for the reassurance. It just happened that on that day the guy I normally chit chat with was away, and his sales assistant and the other boss was manning the place.


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[kinyik]

Originally Posted by rootbeer7

Hypothetically, yes, anything is possible. Likelihood and practical ability, very very unlikely. Enjoy your watch.

I will enjoy it :))


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[kinyik]

Originally Posted by Mephist

Just to add to your paranoia. Could he have switched out the whole watch? Given you a replica back. Spending those 10 minutes, recreating your scratches and dings to make it look similar to the original sub 114060 you gave him

Haha only if he had the same jacket which could scratch the case in a dot like pattern.


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[tyler1980]

my conspiracy theory is that they switched out the movement and everyone telling you its fine are all in on it. They are tracking your movements and covering it up by spreading disinformation.

[Jack T]

There’s no reason your watch needs to leave your sight for 10 minutes to be assessed for resale value. I would never let that happen.

[Burlington]

If they have an established reputation then I would imagine sculduggery would be highly unlikely !

[SearChart]

Yes, and they drug your diet coke as well. Stay away from ADs...

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by Burlington

If they have an established reputation then I would imagine sculduggery would be highly unlikely !

They don't, only fairly.

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by Jack T

There’s no reason your watch needs to leave your sight for 10 minutes to be assessed for resale value. I would never let that happen.

Would that be enough time to remove the caseback to confirm authenticity?

But yes - they could have given a price there and then and then carried out more detailed checks if the sale was to go through.

[Rocket launcher]

Send it immediate first class post to a RSC
They will swop the hands dial and Polish it ...then charge £1000 ..there is skullduggery at work

[AK797]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Yes, and they drug your diet coke as well. Stay away from ADs...

Yup or hypnotise you into buying a DJ.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by AK797

Yup or hypnotise you into buying a DJ.

And then swap out the movement for an ETA during the resizing of the bracelet

[1William]

Really?

[1665fan]

This thread is absurd lol....... I don’t think your going crazy I think u are crazy lol..... just don’t take them your Paul Newman anytime soon lol

[Snow-Dweller]

Originally Posted by directioneng

To be sure, to be sure.

But probably not.

LOL, literally!

[schoolboy]

Originally Posted by kinyik

Hi all, I admit my brain is probably wired to think a hell of a lot deeper than what is logical.

OP, I admit that I’ve wondered this as well.

You know something, it’s the internet. Some people will laugh at you for posting this (although I am sure some are just kidding!) and some will understand your post.

When I learned about shopping for a watch online, I wondered “what if for some reason you get a watch-box with nothing in it?”

Who is to blame?

Did you open the box, sell the watch, and lie?

Did the seller purposely send you an empty box?

Or, what if you and seller are both honest, but something happened in the middle??

How do you figure something like that out?

Might seem like an absurd thought, but a couple of months after I wondered this, it actually happened to somebody on the forum :(

Of course, if you “bought the seller” they will more than likely figure it out for you or with you...

At the end of the day, it’s a crazy thought until it happens to somebody.





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[schoolboy]

I understand that you are asking if during the 10min the movement could’ve been swapped...

Some experts on here know if the task can be done in 10min or not.

I’m not an expert and have wondered the same thing (not in 10min exactly, but just a small timeframe in general)

Anyway, it seems like it can’t

Thanks for posting OP




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[beshannon]

Originally Posted by kinyik

Conspiracy theory

Why?

What conspiracy?

[Speedbird-1]

They were probably just checking its 'number', in case the watch was stolen.
Any good Rolex dealer would.

That's how we get some stolen watches returned.

That could take 10 minutes.

[brandrea]

I’m lost as to why they needed to take your watch into the “back room”