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Ultraman · 15 November 2011, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Langleyz

I guess the question is now, do I still keep saving for a 16610LV or look for a new Rad...

I say..go the LV, mate!

Mosco · 15 November 2011, 02:45 AM

Probably this same guy:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=188200

HL65 · 15 November 2011, 03:13 AM

That is what I am thinking too Greg--in fact it is!!!

RXPete · 15 November 2011, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Langleyz

I guess the question is now, do I still keep saving for a 16610LV or look for a new Rad...

Sorry for the bad news!! Although, I must say you are taking this much better than I would.

Mosco · 15 November 2011, 03:33 AM

Is our memory this short?! Not even six months and another guy is caught sleeping? I feel like I waste my breath. See post #15 here http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=188200

why do we let our guard down.... I'm at a loss.

Zirotti · 15 November 2011, 04:39 AM

FYI - this same guy, going by a DIFFERENT NAME of Nicholas Yacoub also almost scammed a close friend of mine. He had agreed to trade the same B&R with both myself and him and never shipped. He even admitted in a text message that the watch was a Fake PAM 183 that he traded to the OP.

I suggest a new warning thread be started

watchdaddy1 · 15 November 2011, 04:43 AM

FRICKIN' D BAGS IN THIS WORLD- I sure wish I could get ahold of this man

ocwatching · 15 November 2011, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by derik.damon

Sorry to be the bear of bad news but you have a fake PAM183. I hope you didn't pay much for it and saved the receipt.

The first big red flag was your first pic. The dial top plate (that's a sandwich dial) is way too thin. Panerai never made a dial like that.

Here's the comparison with a gen PAM183. Note the 6 that I've highlighted. You can see how thick the top plate is compared to your shot. But I thought it could be just the angle, lighting, etc.

After you posted the movement pic I had no doubt: someone stole from you. The PAM183 uses the Panerai Calibre OP XI.

http://www.paneraisource.com/details/OPXI.html

The OP XI has, in addition to other upgrades, an Incabloc shock protection balance wheel (note the Y format of the shock protection and how it's aligned with the micro regulator needle). Your movement uses a regular Asian balance wheel.

Sorry about the sad news but maybe you can get your money back. Good luck.

And great catch..
going back to the initial photos and one of the caseback I see other problems..

Sorry to read about it! and you sure are taking this a lot better than I would...

careful out there guys..sometimes we all get jaded...

Langleyz · 15 November 2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosco

Ben,

Are you 100% sure this guy was aware he had a fake himself? Also, have you been in touch with him since the discovery? I'm not defending him, just want to be sure beyond shadow of doubt that he's guilty before doors start being knocked on.

I'm currently talking to another person that was about to trade a Tag for my B&R. He was luckily enough to discover this guy was full of shit and got FedEx to stop the delivery and return his Tag. I'm just verifying that he too had the address that I posted. Same guy though.

Langleyz · 15 November 2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RXPete

Sorry for the bad news!! Although, I must say you are taking this much better than I would.

What can ya do? If we were talking about an $8000 watch, I'd be devestated. Luckily for me, the B&R wasn't worth a large amount of money. Plus I got it at a pretty good price orginally. (used)

Langleyz · 15 November 2011, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Is our memory this short?! Not even six months and another guy is caught sleeping? I feel like I waste my breath. See post #15 here http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=188200

why do we let our guard down.... I'm at a loss.

Like I said, the only reason I let the watch continue on its way to this prick is because I had two (yes, two) morons at the AD here in Melbourne look at the watch and tell me it was fine.

I now know better. It was a stupid mistake and I have definitely learned from it!

Do you think the 312 I bought from him is also fake..?

I got that from the AD.. :S

Langleyz · 15 November 2011, 07:28 AM

The worst part is that I'm currently 600kms offshore, so I can't inspect this fake. And I'm here for another 2 weeks!

It has given me some excitement though I guess - All these posts! People usually just ignore me :(

Every cloud.

seadog1 · 15 November 2011, 12:16 PM

Hi new member here.
Boy are fakes getting REAL good these days. Even a photo posted with the sale can't prove a real from a fake now for the casual buyer. And to slip through an AD inspection as well !

Peter

z32turbo · 15 November 2011, 03:00 PM

Looks great. Nice combo!

HL65 · 15 November 2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by z32turbo

Looks great. Nice combo!

Really? Now that is funny!!

Langleyz · 15 November 2011, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Really? Now that is funny!!

lol!

15 November 2011, 02:45 AM	#62
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Probably this same guy: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=188200 __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

15 November 2011, 03:13 AM	#63
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,456	That is what I am thinking too Greg--in fact it is!!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

15 November 2011, 03:33 AM	#65
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Wow Is our memory this short?! Not even six months and another guy is caught sleeping? I feel like I waste my breath. See post #15 here http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=188200 why do we let our guard down.... I'm at a loss. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

15 November 2011, 03:00 PM	#74
z32turbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sea Level Watch: Varies Posts: 6,877	Looks great. Nice combo! __________________ Instagram @z32turbo

15 November 2011, 04:39 AM	#66
Zirotti "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: Tejas Watch: Invicta Posts: 1,066	FYI - this same guy, going by a DIFFERENT NAME of Nicholas Yacoub also almost scammed a close friend of mine. He had agreed to trade the same B&R with both myself and him and never shipped. He even admitted in a text message that the watch was a Fake PAM 183 that he traded to the OP. I suggest a new warning thread be started

15 November 2011, 04:43 AM	#67
watchdaddy1 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: William Location: Az Watch: strap whore Posts: 1,194	FRICKIN' D BAGS IN THIS WORLD- I sure wish I could get ahold of this man

15 November 2011, 07:28 AM	#72
Langleyz "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Ben Location: Perth Watch: Rolex 16760/116400 Posts: 756	The worst part is that I'm currently 600kms offshore, so I can't inspect this fake. And I'm here for another 2 weeks! It has given me some excitement though I guess - All these posts! People usually just ignore me :( Every cloud.

15 November 2011, 12:16 PM	#73
seadog1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: perth Posts: 1	Hi new member here. Boy are fakes getting REAL good these days. Even a photo posted with the sale can't prove a real from a fake now for the casual buyer. And to slip through an AD inspection as well ! Peter

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