Tudor consideration...

[Tudor66]

I am thinking about getting a vintage Tudor Sub, I ran by this one for sale in person through a contact (2,200, head only). The movement has been checked/verified as the real deal, however I don't about the dial. Can someone tell me if this dial looks good...? More specifically, what does Jeromin stand for...?

Sorry for the bad photo's.

[Frogman4me]

Run for the hills!

[Tudor66]

Yes, I was a little concerned. Now I just want to know what "Jeromin" stands for , perhaps it should say Jeromino......

The dial looks aged from 1960, the caseback looks great, movement, etc...

[Michael M.]

Run, run!

[Dan Pierce]

dP

[Tudor66]

Hey Dan, thanks for the response. I was actually waiting for your comments- the pic says it all.

The is the second potential Tudor purchase that ends up being a dud. Good thing I keep waiting. I got my eye on a few other ETA sourced vintage divers...Perhaps I'll collect a few of those less expensive watches before I enter the tudor realm. As best I can tell, watches valued at 400 dollars aren't part of the fake market...

Al

[Dan Pierce]

Al,
You are doing the right thing by asking questions BEFORE you buy. That will bode well for you.
Good luck,
dP

[joe100]

absolutely not! bad all 'round

[Tudor66]

I couldn't help but to take another look at the failed vintage tudor with the "FEROMIN" on the dial. Yes, I am a glutton for punishment, please be kind in telling me that I am crazy to consider this watch...!

I took some better photos, which I'll post later. I am thinking that this watch may actually have some vintage tudor components. The store owner believes that the dial is original. He said that the 1960 price for this watch was only 100 dollars, and that some stores in Europe would stamp their own dial. Anyway, here are the markings on the watch, which along with the patina lead me to believe that the case, and possibly movement could be
Do any of these numbers line up with a 1960's watch created by Tudor...?

Caseback outer:
Original oyster case by Rolex Geneva

caseback innter:
Montres Tudor SA
Geneva Switzerland
Patented stainless steel 7528
I.68

Hammer on movement
Montres Tudor SA
Geneva

Movement
Montres 17 jewels
2483

between lug holes:
7016/0
stainless steel 622825

[larryccf]

i'll add my 02

movement is correct for the 7016, so let's assume as your dealer described, some stores would stamp their own dials - are you going to be able to convince the next buyer?

i'm real skeptical on that dealer's explanation - why would they bother?

[Michael M.]

Seems all right, but the dial is pretty messed up!

[Tudor66]

Greats points Larry and Michael,

Yes, the dial looks terrible when you compare it to other vintage tudor subs.

Also, the hammer on this model doesn't say Tudor Prince- every other model I've seen has that hammer. I know Tudor made other watches, so perhaps the hamrmer and/or other parts on this movement have been updated. The inside of the caseback had scroll marks that look pretty old, and one pen mark, something like Al/01/08....this could be a recent service..

And yes, this flakey dial would be a hard resell. He is asking 2k for head only..., I don't think it's worth that....

I'll post more pics tonight...

thanks again

[Tudor66]

Ok, although I didn't listen the first time, I now get that this watch, with it's current dial is not worth anything, certainly not 2k. Here are the pics I promised, the last pic #7 is a borrowed photo showing a real tudor sub dial.

1 innercaseback (seems ok)
2 outercaseback (seems ok)
3 movement (seems ok)
4 outercase (correct size)
5 bad dial: (yikes..., ugly dial)
6 bad font (cheap font, flower drawing quality poor)
7 example good font (comparative photo: notice detail on the flower, and font)

me, banging my head, -, though glad I didn't buy this one!

[dagigi]

run run run!

[bayerische]

I'm no expert on Tudors, but if you can get it for the right price, and you can source a correct dial... Why not?

[Dan Pierce]

Just not worth the time, IMHO. Your mileage may vary.
dP

[bigwatchman]

IMHO, its not worth it. Plenty are out there. Get a correct one and don't overpay.

[Robbyvm]

If you are not familiar with these vintage watches just buy with one of the know sellers on the rolex forums... they have plenty of positive feedback and regulary nice opportunities !

[Tudor66]

Originally Posted by bayerische

I'm no expert on Tudors, but if you can get it for the right price, and you can source a correct dial... Why not?

I did consider that, buy it cheap, real cheap, then pickup a real Tudor sub dial, then I would have a watch for less than the going rate on bay- however it would be a frankenTudor...

Thinking.....

[harry in montreal]

the case, if legit, is worth 800-1000. the crown is an added bonus. hard to value the watch's guts.

[Tudor66]

I finally located a real 60's Tudor that I am considering, the 7928 Model that I was looking for. The seller is a trusted contact who even told me to take the watch for two weeks, do research and make on offer, or just give it back to him. His price is 2,000.
The concerns I had with the watch are:

The rotor is brass, the rest of the movement is steel. He said it was swapped out at some point.
No bracelet, and there is a small scratch on the original dial near 9 o clock.
The hands look old, the hour hand has a few small holes in it.

Other than that, it's a great looking all original 60's Tudor, would the items listed above hurt resale value down the road when I decide to sell...?

[Frogman4me]

7928 for 2k should be a red flag even if it's a non Gilt/silver dial. When it comes to Rolex/Tudor subs almost everytime your not gonna get an awesome deal, you pay for what you get. The price is low for a reason and yes condition and originality is key and when it comes to resale, it matters most.

Do some more research, you owe it to yourself.

http://www.tudorcollector.com/index....&id=2&Itemid=2

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Newbieone

I finally located a real 60's Tudor that I am considering, the 7928 Model that I was looking for. The seller is a trusted contact who even told me to take the watch for two weeks, do research and make on offer, or just give it back to him. His price is 2,000.
The concerns I had with the watch are:

The rotor is brass, the rest of the movement is steel. He said it was swapped out at some point.
No bracelet, and there is a small scratch on the original dial near 9 o clock.
The hands look old, the hour hand has a few small holes in it.

Other than that, it's a great looking all original 60's Tudor, would the items listed above hurt resale value down the road when I decide to sell...?

Sounds like this one maybe more of mess than what it's worth as well. I would keep looking for one that's in bit better condition. It may take longer than what you thought, but that part of the fun, and in the long run it would be worth it.

[harry in montreal]

Post some pics. These watches are a generally a red hot mess. H

[HORNBLOWER]

steer clear of this one.

[conrail]

Real or not, the printing on that dial hurts my eyes! Yikes!

[Paul]

..... and can pick it up cheap as chips, I say walk away.

A scratched dial has (almost) no resale value
A brass rotor would put off many buyers
Tudor hands can be difficult to source
It's often a mission to source a dial and hands that match

Plenty of nice 7928's pop up for sale on the forums. Take your time and you'll be rewarded

[T5AUS]

As David said, a 7928 for 2 G's sounds mighty suss, good ones generally fetch twice as much and more. It will be interesting to see the photo's of that one too

[joe100]

7928 for $2k? No way. Look for a trusted seller here.

[s4dan]

Originally Posted by conrail

Real or not, the printing on that dial hurts my eyes! Yikes!

Yeah, looks like some one called Jeromin has had a go at dial restoration - lets hope he never gave up his day job.