Is it real? Dealer said "counterfeit"

[andreturning]

That AD better be careful.Saying someones fathers watch is fake is fighting words where i come from lol

[Ampz]

I would go back to the AD and show him this thread. :)

[RW16610]

Yeah, I don't know how the AD determined that but agree with all of what was said above. Second opinion and or RSC because over all it looks fine to me as well.

[Montebay]

thanks for all the info!

Does a watchmaker (not Rolex authorized) have the ability to order a genuine Rolex part, like the correct / original dial for this watch?

[Jacobson]

This is an obvious case of a member of staff @ an AD who's probably never seen a watch that's older than 5 years. Heck the OPs watch is probably older than said employee.

Diamonds could have been added to the dial @ some point. Then again I have seen similar dials on DDs before.

[locutus49]

I'm not a fan of diamonds, but I really like the bark. If it were me, I'd replace the dial with a DD yellow dial that would have been on the original, and wear the heck out of it.

[lpestre]

Originally Posted by tifosi

if the dial is not real or maybe modified, rolex will not confiscate the whole watch. They will only replace the dial and confiscate the old dial.

I can't help with the authentication. Sorry.

+1

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Montebay

thanks for all the info!

Does a watchmaker (not Rolex authorized) have the ability to order a genuine Rolex part, like the correct / original dial for this watch?

There are some very respectable watchmakers who do have Rolex parts accounts; you have to ask.

A good watchmaker can also service your watch and won't care about the dial.

It's pretty clear that whoever looked at it doesn't know much about Rolex and so I would go to a different Dealer or send it into Rolex yourself. They do not confiscate watches with aftermarket parts, they simply refuse to service them unless you agree to have the parts replaced.

[onkyork]

it looks legit from the pictures, but i would advice you try another AD

[Golf&Watches]

Real, even the dial looks very likely to be real. I've seen many different dials on Day Dates, including one exactly like this. It was even posted on a thread here recently. DO a search and you'll find that it was proven to be real.

[AgentHsu]

The watch looks real. The dial looks either aftermarket or worked on. Notice the diamonds at 6 and 9. I do not believe Rolex made dials with tapered diamonds..

[omitohud]

For sure the watch is real, but the diamonds were added on not by Rolex.


I blame it on the autoconnect.

[dht_tubes]

I think if some parts of customers watch may be fake or aftermarket, RSC should be replace with genuine parts with no condition but should be notify the customers about expense or any charges for service.

few years ago I have received daytona with leather straps but it is aftermarket straps RSC told me they pleased to replace it with genuine but if I am request RSC bring the aftermarket straps to put in my another rolex they strongly denied.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by AgentHsu

The watch looks real. The dial looks either aftermarket or worked on. Notice the diamonds at 6 and 9. I do not believe Rolex made dials with tapered diamonds..

Oh they do and did, they are called Baguettes but not on the dial in question.

[John Condom]

Originally Posted by Tools

There are some very respectable watchmakers who do have Rolex parts accounts; you have to ask.

A good watchmaker can also service your watch and won't care about the dial.

It's pretty clear that whoever looked at it doesn't know much about Rolex and so I would go to a different Dealer or send it into Rolex yourself. They do not confiscate watches with aftermarket parts, they simply refuse to service them unless you agree to have the parts replaced.

I think you'll find that a watchmaker with a Rolex account would also insist upon changing the dial. That's if they care about maintaining their account, which I imagine they would do.

[ASGMT50]

I think the watch is real too (except perhaps for after-market retro-fitted diamonds or face) because your dad probably wouldn't bother engraving his name on the back of a cheap fake watch.

[Onikage]

Bark stunner. Woof woof! The AD is a tosser.

[CKLinLA]

I think the use of the word "confiscate" is a little harsh, though perhaps not inaccurate.

But the fact is Rolex policy is to not return any part(s) that they replace, regardless if authentic or not.

[THC]

Originally Posted by landroverking

The dealer is a fake. Lol.

[Big Bill]

OP after evaluating this Rolex I have determined without a doubt this very very Rare timepiece is not only the most valuable watch you'll ever find but it's actually priceless. Your Dad had that watch for 36 years. The AD that told you your Dads Rolex is a fake after looking at it for 30 sec should be poked in the eye Hopefully you can have it serviced and wear it in good health for many years. When the time is right pass it down to your son.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Ampz

I would go back to the AD and show him this thread. :)

I would not go back to this AD, period.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by beshannon

I would not go back to this AD, period.

x2

[Montebay]

Thanks again to everyone that shared their thoughts to my questions. I am amazed at how much knowledge you guys have and am very thankful you are willing to share it.

I think the most helpful info came from "Big Bill" who suggests the watch is priceless since it came from my Dad, and should be handed down to my son when the time comes.

I think I'm going to go with that advice. I'll keep it as is, hold on to it, and pass it down.

Again, I am very grateful.

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by John Condom

I think you'll find that a watchmaker with a Rolex account would also insist upon changing the dial. That's if they care about maintaining their account, which I imagine they would do.

How would Rolex know which reference the watchmaker had serviced and whether or not said watch had been fitted with aftermarket components?

[MILGAUSS88]

I think alot of AD'S have no idea about vintage watches.
I am guessing he looked at the bark finish, and since they don't offer it now. He figured it was a fake.

[John Condom]

Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

How would Rolex know which reference the watchmaker had serviced and whether or not said watch had been fitted with aftermarket components?

They wouldn't, but watchmakers with Rolex accounts have to agree to the same terms that Rolex apply. Obviously it would be fairly easy to flout these rules but Rolex would be unimpressed if they found out someone in their extended network was servicing watches with aftermarket parts.

[F1polesitter]

The term "bark" has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread.
May I just ask what that refers to?

OP, as said by others already, the details on the rest of that watch is too good to be counterfeit. Beautiful piece.

[Montebay]

Originally Posted by F1polesitter

The term "bark" has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread.
May I just ask what that refers to?

OP, as said by others already, the details on the rest of that watch is too good to be counterfeit. Beautiful piece.

Hey, a question I can actually answer..

"bark" is the name given to the type of pattern / finish on the band.

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by F1polesitter

The term "bark" has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread.
May I just ask what that refers to?

The finish on the centre link and bezel looks like tree bark.

[Iulian.Butum]

The hours markers at 5 and 2 are not aligned!Looks fake!