Anti reflective coating on the new 2020 models

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by mrockperez

Out of curiosity can someone explain to me why some people here are so resistant to AR coating? It seems like it only has benefits from where I'm sitting, what are the drawbacks? Thanks in advance!

It has a blue hue to it..

[HogwldFLTR]

I see nothing on the US Rolex site that has any mention of the crystals receiving ARC. I've seen images posted showing it on their site but I can't find it. Where are these images from?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

I see nothing on the US Rolex site that has any mention of the crystals receiving ARC. I've seen images posted showing it on their site but I can't find it. Where are these images from?

All it says on the web site in our country is the following:

Two versions of the Submariner Date, one in Oystersteel and the other in 18 ct white gold, bring original colour combinations, with the dial and Cerachrom insert in different hues. The first watch blends a black dial with a green bezel, while the second proposes a black dial and a blue bezel. The anti-reflective coating applied to the back of the sapphire crystal on the new generation Submariner and Submariner Date ensures optimal legibility of the dial.

Source: https://www.rolex.com/watches/submariner.html

[SparklesMcgraw]

Debate over folks. The LEC images confirm it. The fact that it’s mentioned clear as day on their website should drive it home. Great subtle improvement to this generation. After seeing one in the flesh I will defo be picking one up around the end of the year. Just have to save the pennies first

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Onikage

It has a blue hue to it..

Are you sure? My glasses lenses have an A.R. coating and I definitely don't see any blue when wearing them, nor holding them up to any bright light.

[SparklesMcgraw]

Surely it depends on the type as I’m guessing all AR coatings are not created equal. My IWC has AR on top and bottom and it has the blue hue which I love against the silver dial. I would guess this application won’t have any hue though

[padi56]

Originally Posted by brandrea

All it says on the web site in our country is the following:

Two versions of the Submariner Date, one in Oystersteel and the other in 18 ct white gold, bring original colour combinations, with the dial and Cerachrom insert in different hues. The first watch blends a black dial with a green bezel, while the second proposes a black dial and a blue bezel. The anti-reflective coating applied to the back of the sapphire crystal on the new generation Submariner and Submariner Date ensures optimal legibility of the dial.

Source: https://www.rolex.com/watches/submariner.html

Yes Brian I had to look to find it, but in the the Submariner TECHNICAL DETAILS no details listed about any A/R coating. So looks like forum is making a big deal over it, but not so Rolex in there technical detail Specifications.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes Brian I had to look to find it, but in the the Submariner TECHNICAL DETAILS no details listed about any A/R coating. So looks like forum is making a big deal over it, but not so Rolex in there technical detail Specifications.

I have the 124060 and have to confess I really don't know ...

What "tell" would show me that it has an AR coating?

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[SparklesMcgraw]

The LEC will confirm it 100%. How can we keep speculating when it’s now a closed book?

[Onikage]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Are you sure? My glasses lenses have an A.R. coating and I definitely don't see any blue when wearing them, nor holding them up to any bright light.

Here you go; https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=638576

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I have the 124060 and have to confess I really don't know ...

What "tell" would show me that it has an AR coating?

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Try a bright flashlight at different angles. Look closely at the lume plots. Do you see an echo of the hockey puck plot repeated over and over? On your non AR watches you should see what I'm talking about. Pics in bright sunlight do this on my black dial Rolex watches.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by SparklesMcgraw

The LEC will confirm it 100%. How can we keep speculating when it’s now a closed book?

How does the LEC confirm AR under the dial?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Try a bright flashlight at different angles. Look closely at the lume plots. Do you see an echo of the hockey puck plot repeated over and over? On your non AR watches you should see what I'm talking about. Pics in bright sunlight do this on my black dial Rolex watches.

Thank you, I'll try that tonight

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[dmash]

Originally Posted by dmash

Are you guys claiming this to be true only on the Subs? Or any 12 series model, say the SD43 for example?

^?

[904VT]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Thank you, I'll try that tonight

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Yes, Brian you should see the dotted oval inside of a dotted oval at the base of your LEC. That would indicate AR on bottom of crystal. If ever on the top too, Rolex puts a dotted horizontal line in the center of the same above. I think someone said Jocke went over as well, but the below we discussed similar on the Daytona a few months back and shows illustrations

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...1&postcount=20




https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...1#post10689741

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Thank you, I'll try that tonight

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Here are the copies of the lume plots caused by light making multiple transits between the underside of the crystal and the glossy dial.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 904VT

Yes, Brian you should see the dotted oval inside of a dotted oval at the base of your LEC. That would indicate AR on bottom of crystal. If ever on the top too, Rolex puts a dotted horizontal line in the center of the same above. I think someone said Jocke went over as well, but the below we discussed similar on the Daytona a few months back and shows illustrations

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...1&postcount=20




https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...1#post10689741

Very helpful info. Thanks for the clarification.

This is why I love TRF

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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Here are the copies of the lume plots caused by light making multiples transits between the underside of the crystal and the glossy dial.

Very cool. I guess the light reflects in that way yo creat the multiple image so to speak...

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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Very cool. I guess the light reflects in that way yo creat the multiple image so to speak...

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Here's a sketch of the experiment. With your AR coating the intensity of the internal gray reflections should die off much more quickly as each successive reflection is only 0.25% vs my 4%.

That (1/16)^n factor will taper off quickly leaving you with a much cleaner dial view in bright light.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Here's a sketch of the experiment. With your AR coating the intensity of the internal gray reflections should die off much more quickly as each successive reflection is only 0.25% vs my 4%.

That (1/16)^n factor will taper off quickly leaving you with a much cleaner dial view in bright light.

I'm not going to lie ... your explanation is way above my head, but the diagram spells it out pretty clearly

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[darius359]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Here's a sketch of the experiment. With your AR coating the intensity of the internal gray reflections should die off much more quickly as each successive reflection is only 0.25% vs my 4%.

That (1/16)^n factor will taper off quickly leaving you with a much cleaner dial view in bright light.

Diggin the science lesson.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by dmash

Are you guys claiming this to be true only on the Subs? Or any 12 series model, say the SD43 for example?


Also, if this is true, I can’t believe how much a 1mm (actually 0.5mm) increase was talked about and this is barely getting discussed. This is a pretty significant change in my opinion.

Only Sub and Sub Date 12x not the SD43, judging from Rolex'website.

https://www.rolex.com/watches/submariner.html

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[swissfrank]

It’s also on the new oyster perpetual 126000
Saw it on the Rolex site this morning. Not sure it was there last week

[SparklesMcgraw]

Good spot. I suspect this will become the norm going forward.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by SparklesMcgraw

Good spot. I suspect this will become the norm going forward.

Sure will. Don't mind it on the underside.

[Willows]

I was comparing the SD4K crystal to the new Submariner in person. There is definitely less reflection with indoor lighting on the Submariner, less "white" glare on the crystal. The new Submariner is clearer, without a doubt.

I'll try to get some pics when I can.

[RJRJRJ]

Originally Posted by mrockperez

Out of curiosity can someone explain to me why some people here are so resistant to AR coating? It seems like it only has benefits from where I'm sitting, what are the drawbacks? Thanks in advance!

Re: AR coating on the TOP of the crystal. Sapphire is basically scratch resistant. AR coating is not scratch resistant. So as has happened to me a couple of times, you may end up with a visible scratch on the top of your scratch resistant crystal.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Very helpful info. Thanks for the clarification.

This is why I love TRF

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Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Sure will. Don't mind it on the underside.

I agree and don't mind on the underside at all. My 116020 has on its underside and I actually find my white dial Daytona has less glare than some of the dive watches I own. I like the move to add the AR to the underside of the Sub line

[Tanalasta]

Did the put coatings on other models like GMT?


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I agree and don't mind on the underside at all. My 116020 has on its underside and I actually find my white dial Daytona has less glare than some of the dive watches I own. I like the move to add the AR to the underside of the Sub line

Agreed.
I have 2 watches with it on the underside and it's impossible to fault it's presence.
The benefits are crystal clear(no pun intended) in terms of legibility. It's a serious upgrade for Rolex which I hope will universally filter through to service crystals across the range of older references