Anti reflective coating on the new 2020 models

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

No it says "ensures optimal legibility of the dial" not 'the date window'.

So I think it is an AR coating to the entire underside of the crystal. Maybe some crystals didn't get the treatment, or it may be a very light treatment that is only discernable under certain lighting angles/conditions.

Agreed

[Krash]

Another reason to be glad I have a 114060


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[drrd]

Originally Posted by swissfrank

To see the etched crown on a 2020 oyster perpetual 41 MM go on
YouTube and search for Rolex 124300
Click on millenary watches
Advance video to 5:10 and if you look real hard you’ll see the LEC.
(At 5:16 you missed it)
It’s the symbol for AR under crystal

Well spotted! Thanks

[SparklesMcgraw]

There is literally zero downside to having some AR on the inside. Even if it only works a tiny bit, it’s better than nothing imo

[Gary.]

I've been comparing my new Sub with a GMT and can confirm that there is a visible difference.
The reflections of single light sources- lightbulbs, for example - are not muted in the way the you expect on a watch with external AR but the dial as a whole is clearer, darker and less prone to reflecting weaker or more defuse glare and ambient light.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by FTX I

If true for me a bummer

Me too. I had a PO2500 with ar coating on the outside and it got scratched eventually. Although it seems the ar coating is on the inside of the new 12 series I guess I am one of the odd fellows that likes the way light bounces off of and plays with non ar crystals.
Oh well....

[erict]

Definitive image of 2020 Sub LEC at around 4:50 in Milenary video titled
“ Rolex Submariner 126613LB 2020 Novelty Unboxing Video”

So the new Subs do have AR coating on inside of entire crystal.

[kimobebe]

Very useful info, Thanks

Originally Posted by 77T

Take a look at post 10, then follow the link in it to Jocke’s website.



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[Willows]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

My newest Rolex was my Milgauss; I don't need to luck for the LEC on that cause I know exactly what I'd find. The rest of you have fun finding yours. I find a loop helps!!!

Which model Milgauss? Just to inform others, I believe the Milgauss 116400 GV is the only model without the LEC because of the green treatment to the crystal.

See Rolex documenation pic below;

[georgekart]

For anyone with the new Submariners, you can do something and report to us. Try shining a light on your watch and look at reflection. On watches with AR coating only reflection will be reflection of hands and maybe dial. But it is pretty weak (except hands, but they are pretty small, it's noticeable that's just hands reflecting). With watches with no AR coating the whole crystal will reflect. On watches that have a cyclops with AR but the rest of the crystal has no AR (which is basically any modern Rolex with cyclops apart from new releases seemingly), it produces an interesting effect (if nobody makes pictures I might make pictures tomorrow, I am too tired today): The crystal reflects, the cyclops doesn't. So there is a reflection ring and a cyclops shaped black hole that remains dark. If the new watches have AR, they should not reflect or at the very least reflect way less than older watches do. Similarly, there should be no difference between cyclops and no cyclops as the whole crystal will reflect similar amount of light.

[darius359]

This was not easy....

[darius359]

Giving this a bump with the hopes that the folks who wanted the pics actually get to see them.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by darius359

Giving this a bump with the hopes that the folks who wanted the pics actually get to see them.

So what’s the final veredict: Is there AR on the sapphire crystal of the new 2020 Sub ?


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[southcarolina1801]

I still stand that there is no AR. It looks identical to prior Subs I've owned. I do however think there could be AR on the cyclops.

[georgekart]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

So what’s the final veredict: Is there AR on the sapphire crystal of the new 2020 Sub ?


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Those picture shows the LEC corresponding to crystals with AR:

Originally Posted by darius359

This was not easy....

Yet some people claim there's no AR:

Originally Posted by southcarolina1801

I still stand that there is no AR. It looks identical to prior Subs I've owned. I do however think there could be AR on the cyclops.

Until people do this:

Originally Posted by georgekart

For anyone with the new Submariners, you can do something and report to us. Try shining a light on your watch and look at reflection. On watches with AR coating only reflection will be reflection of hands and maybe dial. But it is pretty weak (except hands, but they are pretty small, it's noticeable that's just hands reflecting). With watches with no AR coating the whole crystal will reflect. On watches that have a cyclops with AR but the rest of the crystal has no AR (which is basically any modern Rolex with cyclops apart from new releases seemingly), it produces an interesting effect (if nobody makes pictures I might make pictures tomorrow, I am too tired today): The crystal reflects, the cyclops doesn't. So there is a reflection ring and a cyclops shaped black hole that remains dark. If the new watches have AR, they should not reflect or at the very least reflect way less than older watches do. Similarly, there should be no difference between cyclops and no cyclops as the whole crystal will reflect similar amount of light.

And take pictures of reflections of their crystals, we won't have definitive proof. It might have no AR, it might have weak AR or it might have significant AR.

[Yess]

Originally Posted by southcarolina1801

I still stand that there is no AR. It looks identical to prior Subs I've owned. I do however think there could be AR on the cyclops.

For those life or death moments, in the sun, when you have to know the date to make it out alive!

[SparklesMcgraw]

The LEC confirms it 100%. AR on the inside. Nice. Thanks for taking those

[swissfrank]

Darius... Thanks for taking the time to post pics
Your pic and the videos on you tube show me they have the AR on the one side only
Thanks again

[Rokoru]

I find the dial of the new sub "darker" when I did a side to side comparison with my 5 digit sub... + It is written clearly on the Rolex website. It is pretty clear to me

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

So what’s the final veredict: Is there AR on the sapphire crystal of the new 2020 Sub ?


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Yes, there sure is. That's probably bigger news than the size increase to be honest.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yes, there sure is. That's probably bigger news than the size increase to be honest.

If indeed true, really not a big deal. I have had 6 over a 25 year period and never had a thought about glare on the crystal. Best thing Rolex did was the AR under the cyclops to make reading the date clear. That was a drastic improvement.

[mrockperez]

Out of curiosity can someone explain to me why some people here are so resistant to AR coating? It seems like it only has benefits from where I'm sitting, what are the drawbacks? Thanks in advance!

[GBD]

Originally Posted by mrockperez

Out of curiosity can someone explain to me why some people here are so resistant to AR coating? It seems like it only has benefits from where I'm sitting, what are the drawbacks? Thanks in advance!

Generally there's a resistance to outer AR because it can scratch and smudge. Inner AR really has no functional downside.

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by GBD

Generally there's a resistance to outer AR because it can scratch and smudge. Inner AR really has no functional downside.

also someone prefer the sapphire crystal be able to reflect light, looks more shinny.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Me too. I had a PO2500 with ar coating on the outside and it got scratched eventually. Although it seems the ar coating is on the inside of the new 12 series I guess I am one of the odd fellows that likes the way light bounces off of and plays with non ar crystals.
Oh well....

My thoughts as well. I like it too. When I strap my PO I can clearly see the difference but I like the Rolex way. I don't understand their moves though. Why 41mm and AR. That's a Seamaster in early nineties, as if they needed to chase Omega. They have always lied about watch sizes so they could have made it 0.5mm bigger the way it is but announcing 40 at the same time. Not that it makes any difference to me but it's a fun debate.

[dmash]

Are you guys claiming this to be true only on the Subs? Or any 12 series model, say the SD43 for example?


Also, if this is true, I can’t believe how much a 1mm (actually 0.5mm) increase was talked about and this is barely getting discussed. This is a pretty significant change in my opinion.

[v1triol]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Is there anything on the website that mentions this in writing?

[Rori]

Originally Posted by v1triol

Bingo


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[speedbird]

Originally Posted by Gary.

I've been comparing my new Sub with a GMT and can confirm that there is a visible difference.
The reflections of single light sources- lightbulbs, for example - are not muted in the way the you expect on a watch with external AR but the dial as a whole is clearer, darker and less prone to reflecting weaker or more defuse glare and ambient light.

Same experience for me. I had noticed the new dial looks different, I couldn't figure out why. AR on the inside certainly explains it as it is more black if that makes sense!

Good thread, thanks all.

And for those still debating, go to the Rolex site Submariner landing page as mentioned above - it is written in black and white and somehow just went under the radar!

[eonflux]

Awesome that Rolex is finally using anti-reflective coating on the inside of the crystal. Can help tremendously such as on my AP and PAM 317.

On the AP, the dial is really shiny, and without internal AR, may be too much.
On the 317, already a good deal of glare plus distortion in multiple directions with that domed crystal even with internal AR.

Wish the DSSD had internal AR. The crystal thickness causes a lot of distortions, and the domed shape creates reflections in all directions.

Saw the new Bluesy. The lighting inside the AD made it difficult to see if there was internal AR or not.