Rolex 6263 incoming

[avilhena]

After many years of dreaming about adding a vintage Daytona to my collection, I finally found this one. It is a 6263 with black sigma dial, 2.84m serial.

All the lume plots are there and although I’m not an expert the case, dial and hands condition seems pretty honest to me.

I don’t know if the pushers or the insert are period correct, if someone can chime in I’ll be grateful! Also, what’s the correct bracelet and where can I find one?

What do you think about it?

[omar-rye]

Congratulations. I’m not an expert but it does look lovely

[TuRo]

A big chunk of cash....so I'd recommend many more photos of case ,engravings, mvt , dial, bezel edge, insert, endlinks, clasp, pushers, and 727 mvt.

Sigma black dial is my fave as dial is the most uncluttered and to my eyes closest to an exotic dial as such.

First glance service plexi and perhaps hands (a little bit whiter, but tarnished so perhaps not) and crown.

Hopefully original (non ringed) P301 pushers and insert as some scuffing that you'd expect on a 50 yr old piece. Check the insert against the various insert guides btw - there are about 4 in total.

Btw lume dots should still lume up under UV (a perculiarity of these and DayDates) but hands probably not.

Is the seller a specialist shop or individual btw as I would have a little trepidation if private sale unless well known seller, service papers, old receipt previous owner etc.

Don't want to appear negative, but 1 in 3 of the 4 digit Daytonas I see have minor or major issues.... even my watchmaker Stephen Hale spotted a fake 6263 case that had been in a collectors fleet of watches for yrs, and was oblivious to it's dubiousness, so good was the case shape and fake engraving.

[avilhena]

Thanks, TuRo.

Here are some more pictures.
It comes with the original punched papers.





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[1William]

Congratulations.

[springer]

Just curious. Who was the "expert" that verified that this is a genuine Daytona, to include the movement, case and parts for this watch.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by avilhena

I'm not loving the look of that engraving. Compare it to the legit example below of a 6263 on a 3.6 million Daytona.

Can you post a photo of the punched Rolex guarantee paper?

[Jackie Daytona]

Beautiful watch! Congrats!

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by swish77

I'm not loving the look of that engraving. Compare it to the legit example below of a 6263 on a 3.6 million Daytona.

Can you post a photo of the punched Rolex guarantee paper?

Yes pls, I'd like to see them too ..

[avilhena]

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[learningtofly]

That ink looks very fresh for a 50 year old set of papers, or is it just me? Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern.

[Toptimes]

Congratulation.

[Goochy]

Originally Posted by swish77

I'm not loving the look of that engraving. Compare it to the legit example below of a 6263 on a 3.6 million Daytona.

Can you post a photo of the punched Rolex guarantee paper?

The engraving looked a bit odd on first glance but it might just be the angle, if you look here there’s very similar engravings.

https://perezcope.com/2018/07/05/the...er-engravings/

[espanol]

Originally Posted by learningtofly

That ink looks very fresh for a 50 year old set of papers, or is it just me? Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern.

My first thought as well, as it doesn't look to have aged in the same way as the rest of the sheet. No expert, but you read my mind...

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Goochy

The engraving looked a bit odd on first glance but it might just be the angle, if you look here there’s very similar engravings.

https://perezcope.com/2018/07/05/the...er-engravings/

I don't see an engraving with the same font and depth on that site, but I agree lighting/photos can be misleading. I'm not suggesting anything definitive either way, only that it would certainly require further scrutiny.


Is there anything on the paperwork that notes the reference number? That paper, as shown, could have come with any Rolex.

Originally Posted by avilhena

[avilhena]

Originally Posted by swish77

Is there anything on the paperwork that notes the reference number? That paper, as shown, could have come with any Rolex.

No, there isn’t , but also there isn’t any blank space for reference number. I’ve seen other Brazilian garanties like this one that also didn’t mention the reference.

About the dial, what’s your opinion?

Thanks


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[swish77]

Originally Posted by avilhena

No, there isn’t , but also there isn’t any blank space for reference number. I’ve seen other Brazilian garanties like this one that also didn’t mention the reference.

About the dial, what’s your opinion?

Thanks

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Sometimes the reference number is hand-written next to the serial number on these old booklets.

The sub-dials are a little too discolored for my liking, but that's a personal preference. It's an old watch. It's gonna have age/patina, and if you like it, that's all that matters. I've owned a black 6263 Big Red in the past, and the sub-dials were slightly discolored but not nearly as much as this example. In general, they're prone to discolor like that, and I'm not referring to so-called tropical dials. That's different.

I'd be more concerned with authenticity of all parts, inside and out, and the engraving. Can you have it examined closely by a Rolex expert?

[rootbeer7]

I am by no means an expert, but knowing the cost of a 6263 and looking at the engraving, I would be a little bit suspicious.

[avilhena]

Originally Posted by swish77

Sometimes the reference number is hand-written next to the serial number on these old booklets.

The sub-dials are a little too discolored for my liking, but that's a personal preference. It's an old watch. It's gonna have age/patina, and if you like it, that's all that matters. I've owned a black 6263 Big Red in the past, and the sub-dials were slightly discolored but not nearly as much as this example. In general, they're prone to discolor like that, and I'm not referring to so-called tropical dials. That's different.

I'd be more concerned with authenticity of all parts, inside and out, and the engraving. Can you have it examined closely by a Rolex expert?

Thanks for the input! I appreciate

I’ll have it checked. But by the pictures I posted, what’s your opinion about the insert, pushers and crown?

Thanks!!

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by avilhena

Thanks for the input! I appreciate

I’ll have it checked. But by the pictures I posted, what’s your opinion about the insert, pushers and crown?

Thanks!!

What have you learned about twinlock vs. triplock crowns on ref 6263 Daytonas?

[avilhena]

Originally Posted by Dan S

What have you learned about twinlock vs. triplock crowns on ref 6263 Daytonas?

I dont know much, but as far as i know, the triplock crowns were introduced in the early 70´s, which is consistent with the serial number of the watch i posted.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by avilhena

Thanks for the input! I appreciate

I’ll have it checked. But by the pictures I posted, what’s your opinion about the insert, pushers and crown?

Thanks!!

Tough to tell definitively just through these photos. Do you have photos of the movement and case back?

The pushers appear to be the correct earlier style without the rings around the end, and the crown seems to be the correct 24-702 (see below for a comparison).

The different types of 6263 bezels are difficult to distinguish. I know it doesn't appear to be a service bezel (No. 4). See photo below to see if you see a match.

[physicist]

Originally Posted by learningtofly

That ink looks very fresh for a 50 year old set of papers, or is it just me? Don’t mean to cause any unnecessary concern.

I think it’s just you.

[Michael1968]

Congratulations

[avilhena]

Originally Posted by swish77

Tough to tell definitively just through these photos. Do you have photos of the movement and case back?

The pushers appear to be the correct earlier style without the rings around the end, and the crown seems to be the correct 24-702 (see below for a comparison).

The different types of 6263 bezels are difficult to distinguish. I know it doesn't appear to be a service bezel (No. 4). See photo below to see if you see a match.

I don’t have photos of the case back and of the movement, but I can take the watch to a local watchmaker to have it removed so I can take pictures!


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[omar-rye]

Do you mind sharing what you paid for it?

[TuRo]

Here's a recently published schematic on the spec. of all 4 digit Daytonas. Op is looking for comments over there everyone if anyone fancies helping him.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...2.html#p626416

As for this watch and esp the mid-case, I think the OP here would do well to put those 6263 engravings and punched booklet up on that VRF Tapatalk website for a wider specialist input.
Rgds P

[KY..]

I will say big congrats as it should be a grail of an experience.
But TBH the engraving and the bezel look off IMO.
Not sure what typeface it is.
And the bezel looks half a Mk3 and half another Mk to me.
Reminds me of an older Gevril Newman bezel instead of a Mk3.
Luckily there are several true scholars between TRF and VRF, and you should know what you have soon enough if you continue to follow up both here and over there.
As stated, much better photos are needed of everything including the inside.
Good luck with whatever happens…

[swish77]

Originally Posted by avilhena

I don’t have photos of the case back and of the movement, but I can take the watch to a local watchmaker to have it removed so I can take pictures!


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So, you purchased a vintage Daytona without seeing the movement or the inside of the case back? Brave man.

[996marty]

Seems to be a lot of unanswered questions on this one