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13 December 2018, 08:14 AM | #1 |
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1964 Gilt GMT query
Hi everyone,
I have been offered a very nice 1964 Gilt GMT with PCG, which is my grail watch that I've been searching for for some time but, before I pull the trigger I wanted to get your expert opinion on the condition of the movement (image attached). My only very small concern is that there seems to be some slight discolouring/darkening to some parts of the movement and I wanted to double check if I'm being overly pedantic or if it is showing some signs of rusting/deterioration. I appreciate the image could be better but it's all I have. I would be most grateful for your views. Mike P.S. I will try and send a bigger photo if it would help. |
13 December 2018, 08:51 AM | #3 |
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Should a PCG have an earlier movement with the prettier rotor? With a crown on it?
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And, as Roh mentioned, the dial is a later dial and not from the pointed crown guard era.
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13 December 2018, 08:59 AM | #6 |
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Thanks Roh.... yes the GMT master website says that this serial number was right at the end of the PCG era so the dial (last of the gilts)/pcg combination does check out. I'm more interested if you think the movement looks okay/clean?
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Nothing turns be off seeing that but I will refrain to make recommendations on stuff I don’t know well.
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Anyway, thanks for your comments. :) |
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13 December 2018, 09:17 AM | #12 |
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Thanks Springer - so is the movement incorrect or is it actually correct for this (later) serial number? As I said in my previous post, PCGs were seen as late as 113XXXX serial number according to the GMT master website...but happy to be corrected!
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13 December 2018, 10:49 AM | #13 |
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I would expect a 1560 movement with the butterfly rotor, but, I am not an expert on all these movements and the dates when they changed. I'm also uncertain what the serial number of this watch.
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13 December 2018, 11:26 AM | #14 |
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If your concern is movement wise, should not be a big issue as most watchmaker can service it well.
What matters most in vintage are actually the dial and case which surprisingly, you didn't request assistance to vet. |
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If it’s not original dial, movement, insert......
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13 December 2018, 06:31 PM | #18 |
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Thanks Chows.... I didn't want to bother folks with the dial/case/insert as it all looks correct and in good condition having read up and seen a few in person...the movements I have much less of a clue about!
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P.S. if anyone does want to comment on the look of this 1.13 series (1964) from the picture above please do! It's all I've got right now unfortunately. The case looks excellent and the insert also looks to be fat font/period correct and I'm assured the dial is likewise but I have still to see it up close...
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Mmh.. as you can probably tell I badly want a gilt 1675 (and ideally this one as it's here now and I've been looking for ages!) but it's a lot of money so I'm being very cautious! Many thanks for all your help guys. Mike. |
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At that serial number and PCG I would have expected a Non Chapter, Swiss only dial.
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14 December 2018, 07:15 AM | #25 |
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Thanks - it is a beaut to look at for sure!
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If the watch was costing me a sane amount of money I wouldn't be doing so much triple checking on everything to be honest! Anyway, thanks for your and everybody else's input. |
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