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Old 8 April 2017, 03:15 PM   #1
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Rolex Pocket Watch help please.

I've got an older Rolex pocket watch. Could anyone please let me know if you know anything about it? Approximate year? Anything.
Cal. 661
15 jewels.
Keeps perfect time.
52mm including case.
Thank you in advance.
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Old 8 April 2017, 04:27 PM   #2
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Looks like a WWII model to me.
Would explain the 24 HR dial as well.
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Old 8 April 2017, 09:08 PM   #3
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Old 8 April 2017, 11:58 PM   #4
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I would like to see what is stamped on the inside of the case back.
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Old 9 April 2017, 01:51 AM   #5
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The only thing on the inside of the case back is 8956
Other than watch makers scribing. Thank you.
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Old 9 April 2017, 04:26 AM   #6
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To me it looks like its cobbled together. IMHO, It looks like a Rolex movement with an aftermarket dial in a boutique case. If it was all from Rolex, that case back would at least have RWC, W&D stamped on it or at least a Dennison case with hallmarks. Ive never seen a blank case from Rolex, even back then.
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Old 9 April 2017, 04:40 AM   #7
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The case looks a lot like the Hamilton and Elgin WW2 4992/3992 Navigation watches. They would have case maker markings in them and military markings on the back originally. Is there any evidence of any removals?
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Old 9 April 2017, 12:27 PM   #8
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No evidence of removal. Thanks for the knowledge. Just never have I seen a watch like this one anywhere.
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Old 9 April 2017, 12:56 PM   #9
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Don't take my posting as having any more knowledge than you do, I'm sure the style of case that I mentioned is a common one.

Yours is a nicely designed and put together model as would be expected from Rolex.

Out of continued curiosity, when you screw the bezel off are there any markings on the case under it?
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Old 9 April 2017, 01:09 PM   #10
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The only markings I can see on the case other than watchmakers scratching. Is :

8956 with a 1 centered under it.

It's really a nice watch and I'm quite fond of it. If it's an after market substandard case and not Rolex I'd like to find a sterling silver nice case. I'm not that concerned about it not being all original if it isn't. Sure, I'd like it to be correct. But it's beautiful in my opinion. I'd like to find a suitable case.
Thanks everyone.
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Old 9 April 2017, 01:38 PM   #11
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No additional markings at all.
Just the 8956 with a 1 centered under that number on the inside case back.

If the case is incorrect or aftermarket I'd like to find a suitable case for this watch. Sterling silver I prefer. I really like this watch a great deal. I've questioned its heratage because I've never seen another like it.
The movement has the number 661
And 766140.
If anyone could suggest a nice case that would do the watch more justice or how to measure for such a thing please let me know.
I really am quite fond of this watch. I'm a stone sculptor. The life expectancy of a wrist watch is about 6 hours on my wrist. Of course I don't wear my explorer while cutting granite.
Thanks again everyone. I love this forum. Cool people. People who help.
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Old 24 October 2017, 12:29 AM   #12
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Any further knowledge please?
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Old 24 October 2017, 06:45 AM   #13
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Your movement was made by Montilier. They along with Cortebert, Record and Recta were contractors who made movements for Rolex. I think there might have been more but can't recall off the top of my head. I'd like to see a picture of that dial with the front bezel removed and a picture of the inside of the case back. I think it might be a put-together too, more information would be useful. That case looks significantly like an American 16 size case, maybe from Keystone or Crescent watch case companies. And the Montilier 61 is about 16 size (19 lignes).
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Old 30 November 2017, 02:17 PM   #14
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Thank you. I will add some pictures soon. I appreciate any information.
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Old 12 March 2018, 11:38 AM   #15
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Mystery Rolex Pocket watch update.

Mystery Rolex pocket watch Update. Case *possibly could be solved. I’ve searched for information on this watch for a long time. Forum members kindly tried to help me and gave me great information. However, we all came to the conclusion it was most likely a put together. I purchased the watch while being deployed over seas. The elderly man I got it from said it was an all original military timepiece and from the 20’s. I took a chance, It was cheap with a great heartbeat. Keeps perfect time.
I’ve searched for the case style on about every pocket maker watch I could and never saw one just like it. Until today. The same exact case except with RWC and Snow White etc.
please see picture. It’s the identical case. And the owner says it’s a Rolex RWC case made by Snow White “guarenteed to stay blue white”.
Any further information would be appreciated. It all still seems strange, Snow White making cases for Rolex? See picture. Thank again, Uncleasy.
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Old 12 March 2018, 12:12 PM   #16
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Sorry, the case says Snowte or something. Not Snow White.
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Old 13 March 2018, 04:14 PM   #17
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Sorry, the case says Snowte or something. Not Snow White.
Bad photos but it looks like it has RWC stamped in the centre. 'Snowte' or whatever is marked there probably produced it on their behalf; if that is RWC in the centre.
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Old 14 March 2018, 01:08 AM   #18
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Snowite I believe refers to the metal the case is made out of. An early stainless compound.

You also see Blue White ....
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Old 15 March 2018, 12:21 PM   #19
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Old 10 July 2018, 02:05 PM   #20
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And another Rolex with the same case. Perplexing. Only other one I’ve seen.
So, back to my original question and with a new one. Why would the case be unmarked? Other than a number.
A Rolex seen here (white dial same case ) that’s clearly marked RWC?
What were they doing? It’s a snowite case I believe. Thanks for everyone’s help. I’m obviously obsessed with this time piece. I’m starting to think it’s the original case just unmarked.
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Old 8 January 2019, 01:17 PM   #21
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Old 9 January 2019, 03:41 AM   #22
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Nice watch.

From what you've uncovered, FWIW I think you have an original case. Watch and watch case manufacturing back in those days was not perfect.

Dials with the 24 hours on them are called "Canadian dials" in the pocket watch world; they were required for Canadian railroad service and the name stuck.

It looks military to me. I have no idea if military watches for WWI were marked consistently, as they were in WWII.

Enjoy!
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Old 9 January 2019, 06:25 AM   #23
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Yes, RWC would be the correct mark for a Rolex case of the time
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Rolex manufactured many watch movements that were unmarked on the dial for the commercial buyer to put their own moniker.

There is no way to tell what the original dials looked like, but I would say that these are not 100 year old examples.
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