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23 December 2017, 11:41 AM | #181 |
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really scary to hear of such stuff. more so when i’m an overseas buyer at the other side of the globe.
i’ve bought quite a few pieces from trusted sellers here, cwieb, david smith, drster, jacek, kirill etc i’m so very glad nothing has gone amiss so far. as a buyer, i think it’s very important to ask questions and clear all the doubts you have. if the seller can’t answer or is not forthcoming with the answers at all, it’s best to avoid. no point saving that couple of dollars and take on a big risk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
23 December 2017, 12:13 PM | #182 |
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Terrible situation. I hope you get a positive resolution to this situation.
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23 December 2017, 07:04 PM | #183 |
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Was wondering is the moderators would be able to share details of karle12 details which were used to become a pledge member i.e. name, address, PayPal, credit card etc?
I'd like to add this to my reports to the authorities. This person needs to be stopped. Would be interesting to know also if Karle12 used the same details to join the forum as he/she did for other aliases used. |
23 December 2017, 07:40 PM | #184 | |
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24 December 2017, 02:52 PM | #185 |
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OP, so sorry this happened to you. Thieves are pond scum and karma is a b***h.
Good luck and I do hope this ends with happy ending. |
24 December 2017, 09:58 PM | #186 | |
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25 December 2017, 02:04 AM | #187 | |
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And the real sellers are making way more than that off one watch. All the big sellers are making out like fat cats. Only $25.00 a year overhead to run a business. Not to bad! Then some want to over charge you and claim supply and demand. So they can charge you more for a watch that they paid less for. Nothing like seeing the same seller post the same watch for sale several months later but increase the price. Then claim supply and demand for the price increase. If the demand was there they would have sold the watch on one of the first 2 postings for example . Then if you want to use a credit card to afford you some protection. They want you to pay their fees for doing business with them. For a lot of sellers there is more being made than 2-3 hundred dollars. The big resellers are getting watches 10% to 30% below msrp. So don't fall for margins are tight, I can't come down any. GREED! of course this does not apply to all the sellers. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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25 December 2017, 04:01 AM | #188 |
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At this point we see a lot of people suffer because of these scams and everyone is trying to ease the pain and come up with ideas and solutions that are useful to help prevent these sort of scams. Not every tip, idea or solution is perfect and it may or may not work.
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25 December 2017, 05:31 AM | #189 |
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In hindsight I wish I'd had a phone call with the seller and facetime or Skype to see their face at least.
Additionally if ask to see some proof in the video that they have the watch with them and proof of ID. I'd also trawl through every detail of their history on the forum and not give the benefit of any doubt like I did in this instance. The question is, would genuine sellers be out off this if a buyer requested this level of communication? |
25 December 2017, 05:57 AM | #190 | |
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25 December 2017, 06:31 AM | #191 | |
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If you're a regular seller I imagine you might just move on to the next potential buyer. But if you don't buy/sell often (like me), I'd rather transact with a buyer that tried hard to verify my identity since it gives me more assurance that they too are legit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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25 December 2017, 10:03 AM | #192 | |
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25 December 2017, 02:02 PM | #193 |
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Glad I read through this entire thread. Definitely going to go into each deal more cautiously than I did before I bought my Omegas, despite them being eBay sales.
Sorry this happened to you OP. |
25 December 2017, 04:08 PM | #194 | |
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30 December 2017, 03:43 AM | #195 |
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Only face to face...
I am a private individual and I want to sell an equal watch at the same price. But I would only face to face in a bank. It is the only way that gives security to both parties. Any other variant unless it is a recognized seller is risky.
You have to find a buyer in the same city that you live but there is no other way. May you have luck and wishes that you recover your money. |
30 December 2017, 05:07 AM | #196 | |
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Nope. I welcome it. I guess it depends on the level in which you sell things, but I think for the average guy who does a decent amount of sales, spending the time to both verify who your potential customer is, along with putting their concern and worries at ease would be worth the time you'd have to make for it. I always offer my cell or work number which is a jewelry store. I make it so I'm not hard to get a hold of, and welcome both a phone call or Skype or whatever. I also think it goes both ways..... while I'm happy to talk to someone and answer all of their questions, I'm weary of customers who only want to talk via text or email. In many circumstances there is reason for it, different language/timezone ect, but if your doing a transaction in the states, there's no reason not to pick up the phone and talk.
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31 December 2017, 12:38 AM | #197 |
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Simple answer
I have said this before and I will say it again. NEVER WIRE MONEY TO ANYONE, you are assuming all the risk. You have little to no recourse to get it back if the deal does not happen. Its an easy scam to pull off. I do not care who you are or how trusted you or anyone else says you are I will NEVER wire you money period! If a seller does not trust sending you the watch before you send money, then why should you trust them and send them a wire before they send a watch? YOU DONT WIRE MONEY TO AMAZON? Do you? I am sorry but I am going to have some protection on my side in the event of a scam or bad deal. Those that think the buyer should assume all the risk are foolish. If a seller will only deal with a wire, move on find a better seller that is affording you some protection.
Being a pledge member on here means NOTHING! Except you sent some money to be able to sell or in this case SCAM someone. roaddog359 is offline Report Post This is the simple answer- I don’t care about the references and all the “answers” to find a trust worthy seller- wasting your time! Just DON’T wire transfer to anyone! If you don’t personally know them - you protect yourself by using cc and pay pal or trusted seller on Chrono. Here is a great test - when seller insists on wire- tell them to send you the watch and the instant you receive it you will wire the funds- ha! See how that works! Don’t be foolish. Sadly, the op simply lost his 7 grand, he won’t get it back! Now are you fellow watch enthusiasts going to learn from his sad experience??? Don’t wire funds ! Sincerely James in SA |
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2 January 2018, 11:39 AM | #199 | |
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2 January 2018, 12:05 PM | #200 |
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Back in 2008 when I first became a TRF member I did send - watches first - to 3-4 buyers.
Never lost a watch - but I insisted in sending at their place of work - I felt that checking them out was easier - |
2 January 2018, 12:11 PM | #201 | |
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3 January 2018, 06:40 AM | #202 |
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Just read through this whole thread. Terrible, sorry to hear the op and the other member. Hopefully it can get resolved. I feel most of the due diligence should fall on the buyer. If the seller is not a trusted seller on this forum, the buyer needs to go through all the steps necessary to authenticate.
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3 January 2018, 11:22 AM | #203 |
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Sorry to hear about this and really frustrating that these scumbags lurk the forums looking for victims. That being said this is the main reason the only person I will ever wire money to is DavidSW. Always buy the seller.
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3 January 2018, 12:12 PM | #204 |
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This happened to me in March of last year from a scammer on a different site. Same deal. Eventually Wells Fargo got some of my money back. (Paid $5400 for a 114060) I ended up getting 2700 back in August after all the run around. Let’s just say I’m very very careful now and usually just buy from my AD.
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3 January 2018, 02:59 PM | #205 | |
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3 January 2018, 03:10 PM | #206 |
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Absolutely awful OP....Hope this all gets straightened out....What kind of dick does something like this?
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4 January 2018, 01:35 AM | #207 |
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what a terrible story..... hate this kind of ''lowball people''
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4 January 2018, 02:13 AM | #208 | |
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You are new so I will cut you some slack, but your post is absurd. I have wired money to people for watches and will do so in the future. Please don't generalize. And please don't give orders to all of TRF. You have no authority to do so.
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4 January 2018, 06:22 AM | #209 |
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The term is “buyer beware” not seller beware. If the seller gets scammed or loses money it is a cost of doing business. He can then pass that on to other buyers as higher prices if he chooses to do so. The buyer has no similar remedy. Thus it behooves a buyer to do more due diligence than a seller might.
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4 January 2018, 07:07 AM | #210 | |
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Hmm. When I sell items worth large dollar amounts I tend to do my DD on the buyer too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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