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Old 25 May 2008, 08:57 PM   #91
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Its a definate for me.
Just got to find the right price!!
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Old 25 May 2008, 10:14 PM   #92
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There are a few around on Chrono24 in the UK Martin, for what seem to be desent prices compared to the market over here in the Netherlands.
Also threw grey dealers I've seen amazing bargains on brand new european delivered ones. I don't know if I like the latest models with the RolexRolex ring though but in real live it's probably less obvious then in pictures.
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We'll keep posting some more then Shedlock 2000 untill you also catch the bug.
Here an unusual picture shot in the light of a Philips Living color light at night(no photoshop).
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Old 25 May 2008, 11:11 PM   #94
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Old 25 May 2008, 11:40 PM   #95
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Well, I hate to be the curmudgeon here but... I've never cared for the Exp II. The primary reason is the bezel. The course brushed finish has always stuck me as crude and unbecoming for such an expensive watch. Being fixed causes me pause as well. Overall, the balance of having the bezel the same color as the case and bracelet, especially with the white face, leaves me wanting for more contrasting style points. The overall look of the white faced version is just a bit too bland for me. I prefer the black faced version better for the reasons cited but that still leaves the bezel.

As in the original Exp II, if you truly want to track mil-time, there are much more discreet ways of doing so, like the chapter ring or additional scale on the dial. Having those large numbers and devoting the entire bezel to just that purpose seems like a poor use of resources. With the advent of the 3185 and the 'jump hour' hand, to track a second time zone requires resetting your watch on the Exp II. If traveling, especially for short durations, a quick turn of the bezel is much more convenient.

In the end, were I contemplating buying another Rolex, the Exp II just wouldn't be on my wish list. It's just me and my warped sensibilities. I certainly don't pass judgement on those who do. Different strokes after all.
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Old 26 May 2008, 12:39 AM   #96
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Here an unusual picture shot in the light of a Philips Living color light at night(no photoshop).

Very cool!!!!!
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Old 26 May 2008, 04:30 AM   #97
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I'd argue that the Turn-O-graph by far gets the least attention from TRFers. I love my Expy II and it's the watch that turned me on to Rolex.
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Old 26 May 2008, 05:15 AM   #98
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Thanks Skippy. Hadn't found that site.
I may have a way to get a BNIB from an AD well below MRRP. Might have to wait a while for it to happen though but if i can save 1000 i'm happy to wait.
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There are a few around on Chrono24 in the UK Martin, for what seem to be desent prices compared to the market over here in the Netherlands.
Also threw grey dealers I've seen amazing bargains on brand new european delivered ones. I don't know if I like the latest models with the RolexRolex ring though but in real live it's probably less obvious then in pictures.
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Old 26 May 2008, 05:16 AM   #99
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Love the avitar, Jordan. Does it mean you love your rolex more than your Mrs!!!
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Old 26 May 2008, 05:44 AM   #100
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Love the avitar, Jordan. Does it mean you love your rolex more than your Mrs!!!


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Old 26 May 2008, 06:30 AM   #101
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Thanks Skippy. Hadn't found that site.
I may have a way to get a BNIB from an AD well below MRRP. Might have to wait a while for it to happen though but if i can save 1000 i'm happy to wait.
If you can I would defenitly go the new route. I have seen brand new ones for les then 3300 euro's(about 2600 pounds if my currency converter is correct) over here.
I bought a 2005 used one and this is also my first and only Rolex at the moment. Do have a couple of other nice watches though of witch the Tag Heuer S/el chronometer and Link chronometer are my favorites.
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Old 26 May 2008, 06:44 AM   #102
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MRRP is now £3040.00 here so if i can't one down the route i'd like i may be taking a trip on the eurostar!!
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Old 26 May 2008, 08:25 PM   #103
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Old 27 May 2008, 02:39 AM   #104
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Thanks for starting this thread, David, and for all the comments, guys.

For 20+ years, I was a pleased to be a Rolex owner and left the fold some six years ago.

Recently I decided that the GMT I in my collection was not really meeting my needs so began to look around. I wanted something to track two timezones (not three) with a classic look to wear with jeans or suit (or in my case, black shirt/white collar).

The Explorer II seems to be the watch I am looking for. At first I wanted the white dial and then I saw the black and white side-by-side - black wins, hands down. More classic, more stealth.

So I've made my decision but still have two problems. The first is finding two black M/3186s in stock anywhere. (Yes, two as a friend wants one as well.) Secondly, I have never paid MSRP for any watch and finding a deal, even on two, has been difficult.

But regardless, I'm in no hurry and things have a way of working out.

Thanks again for a great thread.

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Old 30 May 2008, 12:45 AM   #105
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Thanks for starting this thread, David, and for all the comments, guys.

For 20+ years, I was a pleased to be a Rolex owner and left the fold some six years ago.

Recently I decided that the GMT I in my collection was not really meeting my needs so began to look around. I wanted something to track two timezones (not three) with a classic look to wear with jeans or suit (or in my case, black shirt/white collar).

The Explorer II seems to be the watch I am looking for. At first I wanted the white dial and then I saw the black and white side-by-side - black wins, hands down. More classic, more stealth.

So I've made my decision but still have two problems. The first is finding two black M/3186s in stock anywhere. (Yes, two as a friend wants one as well.) Secondly, I have never paid MSRP for any watch and finding a deal, even on two, has been difficult.

But regardless, I'm in no hurry and things have a way of working out.

Thanks again for a great thread.

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Hi again, Father John,

Thank you for the kind words, both here and in the PM. Congratulations on your inbound Noir Explorer II! This watch is the perfect sports Rolex for your usual attire, and will dress up and down and still look great with everything from your "off duty" street clothes, to your daily black/white, even Easter/Wedding robes. I agree that the black dial is particularly appropriate for you, and happy that you were able to source a good price, as this is a major purchase for a man of modest means.

I'm thrilled that my discussions helped you make a good decision, and if you're ever in St Paul, we'll have to get together. We have a pretty nice cathedral up here that you should see!
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Old 30 May 2008, 01:34 AM   #106
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Thanks for starting this thread, David, and for all the comments, guys.

For 20+ years, I was a pleased to be a Rolex owner and left the fold some six years ago.

Recently I decided that the GMT I in my collection was not really meeting my needs so began to look around. I wanted something to track two timezones (not three) with a classic look to wear with jeans or suit (or in my case, black shirt/white collar).

The Explorer II seems to be the watch I am looking for. At first I wanted the white dial and then I saw the black and white side-by-side - black wins, hands down. More classic, more stealth.

So I've made my decision but still have two problems. The first is finding two black M/3186s in stock anywhere. (Yes, two as a friend wants one as well.) Secondly, I have never paid MSRP for any watch and finding a deal, even on two, has been difficult.

But regardless, I'm in no hurry and things have a way of working out.

Thanks again for a great thread.

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Good choice to go for the Explorer II You are talking about the M series with the 3186 movement but is this actualy a confirmed fact as Rolex(as always) still denies they put these movements in the Explorer II. I do know that at least a number of GMT have been confirmed to use the newer 3186 movement but I'm still not clear on the Ex II. Proof of this fact is greatly apreciated. Still if the movement is just the good old 3185 it's still the right choice.
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Welcome to TRF Fr. John.

The Exp II is a very respectible choice and the one I usually travel with if the journey has any adventure planned at all.

That, and I think it has some great, classic, and timeless lines:



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BTW, by His grace and mercy (and FedEx), the new timepiece should be on my wrist tomorrow.
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Old 30 May 2008, 02:51 AM   #109
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Good choice to go for the Explorer II You are talking about the M series with the 3186 movement but is this actualy a confirmed fact as Rolex(as always) still denies they put these movements in the Explorer II. I do know that at least a number of GMT have been confirmed to use the newer 3186 movement but I'm still not clear on the Ex II. Proof of this fact is greatly apreciated. Still if the movement is just the good old 3185 it's still the right choice.
I am happy to report the presence of 3186 movements in both watches has been confirms by physical inspection. The seller would not ship until he himself was satisfied.

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Thats interesting, and worth "exploring" a bit: Any pictures of the Explorers with calibre 3186 (the calibre itself in the case)? Do you mind giving us the first numbers of the M-serial. I assume M01..to M04...

Best, and congratulations on a nice choice,

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BTW, by His grace and mercy (and FedEx), the new timepiece should be on my wrist tomorrow.
This means that we can expect photos tomorrow?
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This means that we can expect photos tomorrow?
Hey, you've seen one, you've seen them all. Right?

Maybe I'll get a shot of him meeting the rest of the family. They may not be happy since two of their buddies had to leave make room for this one.

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Thats interesting, and worth "exploring" a bit: Any pictures of the Explorers with calibre 3186 (the calibre itself in the case)? Do you mind giving us the first numbers of the M-serial. I assume M01..to M04...

Best, and congratulations on a nice choice,

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I'll let you know the number when it arrives tomorrow. I will not have any movement photos and have to take the seller's word until I can get it to my watchmaker. I will perform the "wiggle test" for whatever that is worth.

It was very frustrating trying to find two black M/3186 EXPIIs. Most dealers had no clue as to the 3186 and could not understand why I was so insistent as to the movement. I kept hearing "The Z is the current model with the latest movement." "They look just alike."

The watchmaker at one AD came out and tried to convince me to buy the Z/3185 out of the case. "The 3186 is a new movement and you should never buy a new movement until it has been out for at least five years", the watchmaker told me. This was after he said that it would be 2-3 years before Rolex put the 3186 in the Explorer II.

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I'll let you know the number when it arrives tomorrow. I will not have any movement photos and have to take the seller's word until I can get it to my watchmaker. I will perform the "wiggle test" for whatever that is worth.

It was very frustrating trying to find two black M/3186 EXPIIs. Most dealers had no clue as to the 3186 and could not understand why I was so insistent as to the movement. I kept hearing "The Z is the current model with the latest movement." "They look just alike."

The watchmaker at one AD came out and tried to convince me to buy the Z/3185 out of the case. "The 3186 is a new movement and you should never buy a new movement until it has been out for at least five years", the watchmaker told me. This was after he said that it would be 2-3 years before Rolex put the 3186 in the Explorer II.

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Great, looking forward to more info from you. I am myself an owner of an M01-serial Explorer 16570 purchased this year, and according to the watchmaker where I bought it it is most problably equipped with the 3186. I have not opened the case though, since it would not make me sell my watch anyway (if it has the 3185). Still I am also collecting information, so I am eager to see the first Ex 16570 with a 3186 popped open.

According to all info I have (from several Rolex watchmakers) the 16570 have been delivered since late 2007 with calibre 3186. I have specifically spoken to the watchmakers at the AD:s, not the sales persons about the calibre.

Looking forward to see your watch. And if you pop it open remember to bring a camera to verify not only the proper case, but also pictures of the movement including designation (3186).

Until then, here is mine: (Perhaps I shall open mine anyway...)



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Great thread. After being back with my rolices for the last six weeks, and switching frequently between my Sub and Expy-II, I definitely prefer the feel of the Expy-II. In fact, I dare say that I prefer the Expy-II overall to the Sub. The Expy is very comfortable and light--a marked difference from the Sub. I also appreciate the 24-hour hand. Overall, I prefer the black dial on a Rolex, and I love the contrast between the WG markers and the inky-black dial.

I had the Sub first, and when I bought the Expy my intent was for the Expy to be my casual-to-dressy watch, and the Sub to be my beater (so to speak) for all activities from working out to water activities, etc. And, since I spend a lot of time doing those things, I end up wearing the Sub more. However, I much prefer the feel of the Expy, and I believe it is rugged enough for any challenge.

If I were to recommend a model for the person who will have only one watch: Black-dial Expy-II.
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Great thread. After being back with my rolices for the last six weeks, and switching frequently between my Sub and Expy-II, I definitely prefer the feel of the Expy-II. In fact, I dare say that I prefer the Expy-II overall to the Sub. The Expy is very comfortable and light--a marked difference from the Sub. I also appreciate the 24-hour hand. Overall, I prefer the black dial on a Rolex, and I love the contrast between the WG markers and the inky-black dial.

I had the Sub first, and when I bought the Expy my intent was for the Expy to be my casual-to-dressy watch, and the Sub to be my beater (so to speak) for all activities from working out to water activities, etc. And, since I spend a lot of time doing those things, I end up wearing the Sub more. However, I much prefer the feel of the Expy, and I believe it is rugged enough for any challenge.

If I were to recommend a model for the person who will have only one watch: Black-dial Expy-II.
Hiya Kevin - welcome home! I wasn wondering where you disappeared to. Glad the rest of your deployment was safe and you have finally arrived Stateside. Hopefully we'll be seeing more of you now?

Nice post on the Expy2, and glad you're enjoying yourse! I agree that this would be a great "only watch" for a great many people, if they only knew about it and appreciated it!
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Hiya Kevin - welcome home! I wasn wondering where you disappeared to. Glad the rest of your deployment was safe and you have finally arrived Stateside. Hopefully we'll be seeing more of you now?

Nice post on the Expy2, and glad you're enjoying yourse! I agree that this would be a great "only watch" for a great many people, if they only knew about it and appreciated it!
David, I think you have a classic Rollie collection: Bluesy and black-dial Expy-II. If I were to ever overhaul my collection, I could very well go that way. The Black-dial Expy for sports occasions, Bluesy for everyday wear and at the office, and maybe a Patek for really special occasions.
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David, I think you have a classic Rollie collection: Bluesy and black-dial Expy-II. If I were to ever overhaul my collection, I could very well go that way. The Black-dial Expy for sports occasions, Bluesy for everyday wear and at the office, and maybe a Patek for really special occasions.
Hey, thanks for the kind words! Yes, I agree that it's a versatile pair, and hopefully a PP or DD will round it out nicely some day! I also like the RG TT DJ!
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I love my Expy II not only for the looks but for the comfort. I will sometimes slip it on for a moment after taking off my SD that I've been wearing all day...just to feel the difference. Without a doubt the most comfortable of the sport models. I love the slope of the bezel and although I'm not a fan of the magnifier, It looks better IMO over a white dial.
I love my Sea Dweller, but its a heavier watch no doubt, and I can see why an Exp II would be so valued. Two time zones, solid bezel, great functionality. I personally went with the GMT II in March 2007 for those reasons, but I considered the Exp II and I still think its one of those underappreciated Rolexes that is on the backburner until a remodelling comes along then suddenly there's a stampede to the AD to get the new larger-diameter, cermic-infused model......

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I love my Sea Dweller, but its a heavier watch no doubt, and I can see why an Exp II would be so valued. Two time zones, solid bezel, great functionality. I personally went with the GMT II in March 2007 for those reasons, but I considered the Exp II and I still think its one of those underappreciated Rolexes that is on the backburner until a remodelling comes along then suddenly there's a stampede to the AD to get the new larger-diameter, cermic-infused model......

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... followed 6-months later by a stampede to the AD to get the last of the 16570's!
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