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ColoradoMountains · 4 January 2019, 10:14 AM

Hi guys, I got my first Panarei this Xmas and I am actually very happy with it.

My wife bought it from a local dealer in used condition. So, I brought it to a watch guy for asking about a service.

He opened the watch and he found a movement he called ETA. He told me that he is NOT an Panarei guy but I really had the feeling that he was concerned about the authenticity. He said.. I am NOT sure and he also added that he saw really good fakes.

My watch is a Luminor Marina, Firenze 1860

The movement is a A055II (?) marked.. not 100% sure

What do you guys think about the movement?

Thanks soooo much for your help. I am about to return the watch as I have 30 days.

PHOTOS

ibb. co/ZYY7B0C
ibb. co/mCLWWpY

Vbmrk · 4 January 2019, 01:52 PM

Without knowing what model this is it’s impossible to say if it’s authentic or not. Earlier pams did indeed use ETA movements as shown in your pics. Can you post pics of the watch itself? Did it come with box/papers?

ColoradoMountains · 4 January 2019, 02:29 PM

Thanks so much for answering. I am really concerned and don;t know what to do.

1. no box and papers but it was bought from a pretty reputable watch store

Photo from my watch:

ibb. co/fHWg8DK

What troubles me is this

This swiss fake website offers really good fakes with ETA movements. I am now concerned that my ETA movement is a fake too. My local watch guy confirmed that my movement is a really, really good ETA movement and he believes it's genuine.

swisstime .sr /shop/panerai-luminor-marina-automatic-firenze-44mm-pam229/

nick c · 4 January 2019, 02:45 PM

Can you post some pics please, it’s hard to tell

ColoradoMountains · 4 January 2019, 03:05 PM

Thanks for answering but as a new member, I am not allowed to add photos :-(

fullcourt · 4 January 2019, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColoradoMountains

Thanks for answering but as a new member, I am not allowed to add photos :-(

until you’re able to post pics we really can’t be of much help

ColoradoMountains · 4 January 2019, 03:16 PM

I know, but I added links before

ibb. co/ZYY7B0C
ibb. co/mCLWWpY
ibb. co/fHWg8DK

You need to remove the space between "." and "co:

Sorry about that but there was no other way for me.

yaku · 4 January 2019, 04:30 PM

Okay.. from looking at his link, it seems like the model is Pam 164.
I downloaded his pictures and attached it here.

ColoradoMountains · 5 January 2019, 02:15 AM

Thanks, that is very kind. If you compare my photos you uploaded with this, you'll see that the movements look the same:

FAKE MOVEMENT:
swisstime .sr /shop/panerai-luminor-marina-automatic-firenze-44mm-pam229/

I am worried, that it's kind of a very good fake. The watch guy said: THIS IS A REALLY GOOD ETA movement.

Cru Jones · 5 January 2019, 02:24 AM

What series is marked on the case back?

ColoradoMountains · 5 January 2019, 02:46 AM

Thanks for asking:

Firenze 1860

OP6630

Cru Jones · 5 January 2019, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColoradoMountains

Thanks for asking:

Firenze 1860

OP6630

What I meant was, what letter before your number out of the total number for the year (e.g., F, G, M, etc.)?

ColoradoMountains · 5 January 2019, 04:41 AM

Sorry, It's "H"

Hxxxx/1500

What also confuses me that it looks like this number was kind of printed but not engraved.

kawpao · 5 January 2019, 09:29 AM

So curious... watching this space!

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synequano · 5 January 2019, 09:45 AM

H series is like that,the number was printed instead of etched,I've seen fake H series that has better carved serial,ironically

ColoradoMountains · 5 January 2019, 02:07 PM

What do you guys think about my movement? Would you think I may have an authentic watch?

wisguy · 5 January 2019, 03:45 PM

Not an expert but it looks ok.

erik asher · 5 January 2019, 07:17 PM

I would return this watch...it looks fake to me. And even if it is real, it’s in best up condition and no box and papers? Not a keeper at all...

Cru Jones · 5 January 2019, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColoradoMountains

Sorry, It's "H"

Hxxxx/1500

What also confuses me that it looks like this number was kind of printed but not engraved.

Manual wind Panerais had the “Panerai Panerai” text until around then, I’m not sure about automatics....

Anyway, google “Valjoux 7750” and compare images against yours.

If you’re still not sure, try to return it. Or, if you want to keep it, send it in for a service and see what happens. You’ll either get back a like new 164, or Panerai will give you some bad news....

sirC · 6 January 2019, 10:54 AM

I live on the front range 50 miles from Silverthorne
Take it to Hyde Park Jewlers in Denver. They are an AD and will help you figure it out.

sirC · 6 January 2019, 11:00 AM

A couple of other things-
If you have doubts you will never be satisfied with your purchase. Spend a few bucks and get it authenticated or buy something certified. Box and Papers and verified by an AD are a must for me.
The seller is as important as the watch you are chasing...................
Use your head and trust your gut.

Good Luck

Fortis · 7 January 2019, 10:08 AM

7750 Eta movment is so easy to obtain, used by most watch manufacture. If you have doubt return it.

4 January 2019, 10:14 AM	#1
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	My first Panerei - Authentic? I am concerned now... Hi guys, I got my first Panarei this Xmas and I am actually very happy with it. My wife bought it from a local dealer in used condition. So, I brought it to a watch guy for asking about a service. He opened the watch and he found a movement he called ETA. He told me that he is NOT an Panarei guy but I really had the feeling that he was concerned about the authenticity. He said.. I am NOT sure and he also added that he saw really good fakes. My watch is a Luminor Marina, Firenze 1860 The movement is a A055II (?) marked.. not 100% sure What do you guys think about the movement? Thanks soooo much for your help. I am about to return the watch as I have 30 days. PHOTOS ibb. co/ZYY7B0C ibb. co/mCLWWpY

5 January 2019, 03:45 PM	#17
wisguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 2,406	Not an expert but it looks ok. __________________ 5230G / 5146G / 124060 / BB58 / '59 Constellation

4 January 2019, 01:52 PM	#2
Vbmrk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: NYC Posts: 103	Without knowing what model this is it’s impossible to say if it’s authentic or not. Earlier pams did indeed use ETA movements as shown in your pics. Can you post pics of the watch itself? Did it come with box/papers?

4 January 2019, 02:29 PM	#3
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	Thanks so much for answering. I am really concerned and don;t know what to do. 1. no box and papers but it was bought from a pretty reputable watch store Photo from my watch: ibb. co/fHWg8DK What troubles me is this This swiss fake website offers really good fakes with ETA movements. I am now concerned that my ETA movement is a fake too. My local watch guy confirmed that my movement is a really, really good ETA movement and he believes it's genuine. swisstime .sr /shop/panerai-luminor-marina-automatic-firenze-44mm-pam229/

4 January 2019, 02:45 PM	#4
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Can you post some pics please, it’s hard to tell

4 January 2019, 03:05 PM	#5
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	Thanks for answering but as a new member, I am not allowed to add photos :-(

4 January 2019, 03:16 PM	#7
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	I know, but I added links before ibb. co/ZYY7B0C ibb. co/mCLWWpY ibb. co/fHWg8DK You need to remove the space between "." and "co: Sorry about that but there was no other way for me.

5 January 2019, 02:15 AM	#9
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	Thanks, that is very kind. If you compare my photos you uploaded with this, you'll see that the movements look the same: FAKE MOVEMENT: swisstime .sr /shop/panerai-luminor-marina-automatic-firenze-44mm-pam229/ I am worried, that it's kind of a very good fake. The watch guy said: THIS IS A REALLY GOOD ETA movement.

5 January 2019, 02:24 AM	#10
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,525	What series is marked on the case back?

5 January 2019, 02:46 AM	#11
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	Thanks for asking: Firenze 1860 OP6630

5 January 2019, 04:41 AM	#13
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	Sorry, It's "H" Hxxxx/1500 What also confuses me that it looks like this number was kind of printed but not engraved.

5 January 2019, 09:29 AM	#14
kawpao "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Singapore Posts: 39	So curious... watching this space! Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk

5 January 2019, 09:45 AM	#15
synequano Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 413	H series is like that,the number was printed instead of etched,I've seen fake H series that has better carved serial,ironically

5 January 2019, 02:07 PM	#16
ColoradoMountains "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Silverton, Co Posts: 8	What do you guys think about my movement? Would you think I may have an authentic watch?

5 January 2019, 07:17 PM	#18
erik asher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: New York Posts: 273	I would return this watch...it looks fake to me. And even if it is real, it’s in best up condition and no box and papers? Not a keeper at all...

6 January 2019, 10:54 AM	#20
sirC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Not Bob Location: USA Watch: Your Six Posts: 112	I live on the front range 50 miles from Silverthorne Take it to Hyde Park Jewlers in Denver. They are an AD and will help you figure it out.

6 January 2019, 11:00 AM	#21
sirC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Not Bob Location: USA Watch: Your Six Posts: 112	A couple of other things- If you have doubts you will never be satisfied with your purchase. Spend a few bucks and get it authenticated or buy something certified. Box and Papers and verified by an AD are a must for me. The seller is as important as the watch you are chasing................... Use your head and trust your gut. Good Luck

7 January 2019, 10:08 AM	#22
Fortis "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Real Name: Felix Location: N.Bellmore N.Y. Watch: Daytona,Rolex. Posts: 11	7750 Eta movment is so easy to obtain, used by most watch manufacture. If you have doubt return it.

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