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Old 14 July 2017, 02:16 PM   #61
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It's Patek, they do what they want

Not sure, Voutilainen writes hand made, nothing about swiss...
That's because he couldn't fit in "sort of hand made" based on Cnc machines etc
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Old 14 July 2017, 02:18 PM   #62
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Mine says nothing, must be a fake, also. I thought the Swiss Watch Federation required the "Swiss" or "Swiss Made" on the dial. I guess not.
More important....did you get a brown box??
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Old 14 July 2017, 03:13 PM   #63
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Mine has "Swiss" on the left of the vertical bar lume marker, and "Made" on the right side of it. So mine has "Swiss Made".
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Old 15 July 2017, 02:52 AM   #64
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From doing all my research I believe that the Swiss made are the newer 5167 . The newer ones also have the pp on the movement not the pp stamp. I believe the newer ones (Swiss made) are the only ones where the bracelet is interchangeable because when I called hsnyc yesterday they asked for the case number to make sure the bracelets fit because the older ones the bracelet did not fit. I could be all wrong but I have been reading every thread I could find on the 5167. Can you guys that do not have the Swiss made on your dial see if you have the Geneva seal or the pp stamp on the movement?
Mine is brand new and does not have "Swiss Made" on the dial. I believe some just go out without this stamping on the dial by error. There appears no other explanation or logic to it.
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Old 15 July 2017, 02:56 AM   #65
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More important....did you get a brown box??
I will never tell.
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Old 15 July 2017, 03:19 AM   #66
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It's Patek, they do what they want

Not sure, Voutilainen writes hand made, nothing about swiss...
Hand made, very, very, very slowly.....indeed.

I wonder how many of his customers die in the interval between ordering the watch and receiving it.
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Old 15 July 2017, 06:24 AM   #67
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Hand made, very, very, very slowly.....indeed.

I wonder how many of his customers die in the interval between ordering the watch and receiving it.
^ insert Patek tagline here
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Old 22 July 2017, 02:21 AM   #68
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Old 22 July 2017, 05:18 AM   #69
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I believe they recently added Swiss Made to deter the counterfeit market. The size of the swiss made is literally about one quarter of a millimeter, so it would be very difficult for a counterfeiter to print.
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Old 6 August 2021, 06:13 PM   #70
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Bumping an old thread but here’s one with a Swiss Made dial with the older Geneva seal movement.





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Old 6 August 2021, 06:25 PM   #71
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I was always under the impression that 2009 and before had no Swiss Made print. I have had one 5167 with Swiss Made and one without, the one with out was dated 2009.
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Old 6 August 2021, 07:52 PM   #72
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I have a 2009 5167A with the Geneva Seal and no "Swiss Made" on the dial.
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Old 6 August 2021, 10:19 PM   #73
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Mine was purchased new from my AD in 2/21 with “Swiss made”

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Old 7 August 2021, 12:36 AM   #74
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Everyone who cannot find the "Swiss Made" on the dial at 6:00 should put their 5167 up for sale on the Forum ASAP.
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Old 7 August 2021, 02:30 AM   #75
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https://www.europeanwatch.com/watch/...-CO-29484.html

Just to add more confusion to the timelines, this one sold by EWC in the past has a Swiss Made "Tiffany" dial with older Geneva seal movement but with paperwork from sale in 2014.
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Old 7 August 2021, 02:30 AM   #76
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Old 7 August 2021, 06:33 AM   #77
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Bought new from AD just a couple weeks ago, with “Swiss Made” at 6 o’clock:

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