Available in store Patek models/price holding?

[2nastie]

Originally Posted by Breizh

Get what you like, if not available at AD go grey.
You never know what piece will retain its value.

This was me trying to decide which one I preferred 6 years ago, both available at every AD I visited...

Crazy times haha.

Minus the craze, the 5205 looks nicer. The Nautilus looks so bulky due to the complication.

[Chute]

The watch you can get at an AD that will lose the least is a 5196 but that's just because it is the cheapest. I would recommend finding something in the Patek catalog that YOU like and establish a relationship with a local dealer. Maybe some day that will get you either a Nautilus or whatever is the next popular thing.
Or, trade your existing collection for the perfect 1 watch collection that is the 5726.

[lovewatches1987]

Originally Posted by Chute

The watch you can get at an AD that will lose the least is a 5196 but that's just because it is the cheapest. I would recommend finding something in the Patek catalog that YOU like and establish a relationship with a local dealer. Maybe some day that will get you either a Nautilus or whatever is the next popular thing.
Or, trade your existing collection for the perfect 1 watch collection that is the 5726.

So far i think that it’s the best idea to establish relationships buying the piece I really like. 5196 is elegant and classy, but a bit too simple imho. I don’t love Nautilus more than my RO and or other Rolexes so trading several watches for 1 is not an option:)

[lovewatches1987]

Originally Posted by Breizh

Get what you like, if not available at AD go grey.
You never know what piece will retain its value.

This was me trying to decide which one I preferred 6 years ago, both available at every AD I visited...

5205 looks even nicer than Nautilus on that picture)

Which one did you choose then?

[Breizh]

I ended up deciding on the Nautilus, but by the time I had made my choice, they were gone from ADs.
And to make matters worse, I sold my Aquanaut to finance the purchase for a fraction of what they're worth now.
So my timing was wrong on all counts

I do not regret my decision as I am truly happy with the watch. And that's my advice: get what you like, you can't predict the market (at least I wasn't )

[dauster]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

When ask AD a question if they can give me a Nautilus if I buy any of available Patek pieces, they always say the same fairytale - that the last time they saw Nau it was somewhere in 1987 and it was sold to man who has spent 17 million in their store in the past and bla bla... Just doesn't sound promising at all :(

And at they same time, greys have all of them in stock

Lol so accurate

[Fleetlord]

Unless you have spent or are willing to spend unconditionally at the Patek AD, then that route to the Nautilus just isn’t there.

[QuantumOceanLawyer]

My first PP was a 5167 last year. Waited about six months. Didn’t buy anything else from them. I was pretty persistent that I just love watches from a horological standpoint and was going to keep it. He knew I had a good collection and I was serious about just shopping at that AD. It meant a lot that this SP got it for me and I haven’t bought a watch from another AD since. He got me as a customer for life.


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[Chute]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

So far i think that it’s the best idea to establish relationships buying the piece I really like. 5196 is elegant and classy, but a bit too simple imho. I don’t love Nautilus more than my RO and or other Rolexes so trading several watches for 1 is not an option:)

I get it, I always say I'll sell or trade some watches if something I want more comes along, but I can't bring myself to do it.

If you don't like the 5196, look for something else in the catalog.

If the 5726 is the only Patek you want, you're going to have to get it in the Grey market as getting one with no history is impossible.

I will say, I was on the list for a stainless Patek for years with no purchase history, but once I bought the 5196, I was allocated a very desirable stainless PP six months later because the AD got the correct impression that I am really into watches and am not a flipper.

If you want to go the AD route to get a 5726, you need to spend time and money at a dealer and establish a relationship with a Sales associate you get along with.

[lovewatches1987]

In your opinion, is it okay to ask AD a question like “if i get available watch from your showcase (let’s say 5235 or 5205 or 5196) will you be able to get me a Nautilus”? I can show them pictures of current collection if they want

[Robine]

Its, like, totally ok.

[kaiserphoenix]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

In your opinion, is it okay to ask AD a question like “if i get available watch from your showcase (let’s say 5235 or 5205 or 5196) will you be able to get me a Nautilus”? I can show them pictures of current collection if they want

Yes but u won’t get any SS sport with 1 purchase or a 5235 or 5205 unfortunately.

[fixinbones]

Originally Posted by BonVivantGems

I think the 5930G is a sleeper here. Very unpopular as most ADs have been sitting on one for months if not over a year. You will be helping them get out of a watch that hasn't moved and they will likely give you a deal on it. I think it also has all the hallmarks of a watch that will be worth much more in the long-term. And frankly, the watch is freaking gorgeous.

Yeah the 5930g is a beauty! It’s on my list of possible future watches and at a reasonable price.

[dchang81]

one watch bundle there's no way. i mean if you get a nautilus the dealer is basically handing you 50k cash if not more. everyone gets mad at dealers but would anyone in their right mind hand anyone 50k just because.

[uniqueMR]

5930G is underrated.
Plus Patek never do blue dial with blue strap (its only had been reserved for platinum pieces in past)..

[ryehn]

5205R is my absolute favourite and future addition to my collection!

[Neurogeek]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

Omg 2-3??!! I was hoping 1 would help) I was thinking to get 5130 or 5235 or 5205 or 5396 and hopefully get offered a Nau later

Interesting. Just go gray, its faster and cheaper that way.

[Partekular]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

Hello all, I currently have Rolex steel and steel AP RO in humble collection and thinking about adding Patek. My favorite is 5726 blue, but unfortunately unobtainable at retail. So my question is which of Patek models that are obtainable or available in PP stores would hold value best or at least will have relatively small loses?

Speaking personally if you are concerned about the price holding I think you may have the wrong obsession. Patek’s may do a bit better but 99:100 watches are not good investments. Consider buying ETFs and hold for over five years.

Mugs like me buy new watches, rarely (never in my case) sell them and are wary of the grey market.

[zagazar]

Mh first Patek was a 5712 Nautilus, which I got before Christmas last year (waited 18 months). It came as a Christmas surprise :). I was with the Patek Boutique sincere and open and was following up every 3-4 months and without any purchase history I got allocated the 5712. Now I am buying the new 6911G (waiting list) and waiting for the 5205R (been told I will get those 2 pieces in October). I got some Rolex and Lange in my collection, but never had Patek till my Nautilus showed up.

Sometimes it works reverse, get your nautilus first and then buy other models. I wish Patek could see this.

[lovewatches1987]

So i went in Patek AD and tried on few annual calendars which they have in the showcase, i asked if that will help me to get a Nau in future. They said “we can’t promise anything about when it will come, but we will put you on the list, and also it will help you to get your desirable Rolexes” (they also have Rolex in that store). Would start the relationships and buy a Patek comp from their showcase in this case? Or it just doesn’t sound promising?

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

I tried both 5205 and 5235, they are beautiful, but considering 53k$ and 55k$ retail and about 37k$ grey market that's more than 30% loss. And I will probably have to go with one of them if no one advise a better alternative)

Also, they both come with tangle buckle. So Patek logo buckle should be purchased separately?

Where can you find 5205 and 5235 for $37k for unworn/fairly new?

If you can find that, you better get it, it seems like a great price to me.

[Neurogeek]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

So i went in Patek AD and tried on few annual calendars which they have in the showcase, i asked if that will help me to get a Nau in future. They said “we can’t promise anything about when it will come, but we will put you on the list, and also it will help you to get your desirable Rolexes” (they also have Rolex in that store). Would start the relationships and buy a Patek comp from their showcase in this case? Or it just doesn’t sound promising?

It will help with Rolex, not Nautilus.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Benzsiam

Where can you find 5205 and 5235 for $37k for unworn/fairly new?

If you can find that, you better get it, it seems like a great price to me.

Exactly, the 5235 sells very close to retail.


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[llngoc]

Originally Posted by lovewatches1987

So i went in Patek AD and tried on few annual calendars which they have in the showcase, i asked if that will help me to get a Nau in future. They said “we can’t promise anything about when it will come, but we will put you on the list, and also it will help you to get your desirable Rolexes” (they also have Rolex in that store). Would start the relationships and buy a Patek comp from their showcase in this case? Or it just doesn’t sound promising?

If you love the 5205 or 5235, buy it and enjoy. Once you get the first Patek, you will most likely looking for a second, third, fourth, etc. At some point, if you are loyal to your AD, the Nautilus may pop out. But if you are just buying the other watches to get to a Nautilus, you should just go grey.

[Benzsiam]

If we buy one or two pieces of complications line such as 5205 or 5235 will not get us in line for sport models.

Is it better to purchase that from gray/secondary market (TRF sellers) instead of PP boutique? At least we can save 5%+sale tax.

[Dr Process]

Originally Posted by Breizh

I ended up deciding on the Nautilus, but by the time I had made my choice, they were gone from ADs.
And to make matters worse, I sold my Aquanaut to finance the purchase for a fraction of what they're worth now.
So my timing was wrong on all counts

I do not regret my decision as I am truly happy with the watch. And that's my advice: get what you like, you can't predict the market (at least I wasn't )

Really appreciate the honesty in your posts.

Glad you’re still enjoying your nautilus!

[David5807]

Originally Posted by David001

You'll lose 40% of the value of anything out of the case as soon as you walk out of the door. People might tell you different because the grey dealers have high tags on their watches, but ignore them, when you try and sell it that's what you'll get.

Buy it because you want it.

If this is an attempt to get a Nautilus then just buy grey, you're not getting a Nautilus these days unless you've spent $250k previously.

Truth