Article questioning Patek's reputation

[RussW]

Originally Posted by AK797

And a lot less members here too , but seriously I noted this too, brand's star has been on the rise, within this forum and without.

Unfortunately, that’s true re the members, and you notice it more on the Patek forum as we’re a pretty small group. It was a crazy period when a few members went too far and are now sadly no longer here. Will take some time to get the numbers back up.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Passionata

i ve seen him at the AP forum yesterday

Thanks George

I miss his never ending sentence posts

[AK797]

Originally Posted by goog53

Less member participation: socaltoaz, lapince, Karl, martinr, incontrol, hairdude, myself, thomaspp, jorge, etc.

Only 2 of them were banned so I hope the others return on a regular basis again.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Thanks George

I miss his never ending sentence posts

Funny timing from Arnaud to leave just after finally defeating his nemesis Paul.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by tavv160

Questioning Patek's reputation is a bit far for me, but I have to agree on the point of the Pilot Calatrava. It is one of the most uninspiring watches I have seen for a long time, something I would expect to roll out of the Longines or Baume & Mercier factory, not PP. Luckily only 600 of them will be made.

Don't really understand the hatred towards the 5522 Calatrava Pilot

I like the watch and the style, though I have long been a lover of the pilot style of watches.

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[tom2517]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Yeah I can tell.

I figure Basel will give people something to talk about. Anyone heard from arnaud?

Well thats because you guys ran people off the town! Kidding aside, but seriously sometimes a few will make people feel unwelcome here if you critique a certain reference or brand. It seems like if you can't conform, then it's better off going elsewhere.

In the past I have said Aquanaut is ugly (still do), got flamed. I said RM is overpriced, people will imply that's because I can't afford it. Anyways some people knows better.

So...luckily I have a thick face, I haven't bought a Patek in a while (last one is 5970P a few years ago) but I have just purchased a 5131P and will share what I think of it shortly when I got time to take some close up pictures.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Thanks George



I miss his never ending sentence posts

I miss him too

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Well thats because you guys ran people off the town! Kidding aside, but seriously sometimes a few will make people feel unwelcome here if you critique a certain reference or brand. It seems like if you can't conform, then it's better off going elsewhere.



In the past I have said Aquanaut is ugly (still do), got flamed. I said RM is overpriced, people will imply that's because I can't afford it. Anyways some people knows better.



So...luckily I have a thick face, I haven't bought a Patek in a while (last one is 5970P a few years ago) but I have just purchased a 5131P and will share what I think of it shortly when I got time to take some close up pictures.

1.i think very nice ppl here around
2.5131Plooking forward to read yr impressions

[incontrol]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Well thats because you guys ran people off the town! Kidding aside, but seriously sometimes a few will make people feel unwelcome here if you critique a certain reference or brand. It seems like if you can't conform, then it's better off going elsewhere.



In the past I have said Aquanaut is ugly (still do), got flamed. I said RM is overpriced, people will imply that's because I can't afford it. Anyways some people knows better.



So...luckily I have a thick face, I haven't bought a Patek in a while (last one is 5970P a few years ago) but I have just purchased a 5131P and will share what I think of it shortly when I got time to take some close up pictures.

Wow! Looking forward to the review of your 5131P! Congrats!


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[GB-man]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Well thats because you guys ran people off the town! Kidding aside, but seriously sometimes a few will make people feel unwelcome here if you critique a certain reference or brand. It seems like if you can't conform, then it's better off going elsewhere.

In the past I have said Aquanaut is ugly (still do), got flamed. I said RM is overpriced, people will imply that's because I can't afford it. Anyways some people knows better.

So...luckily I have a thick face, I haven't bought a Patek in a while (last one is 5970P a few years ago) but I have just purchased a 5131P and will share what I think of it shortly when I got time to take some close up pictures.

I don't think I ran arnaud out of town lol must have been someone else. Re: the aqaunaut...take it back

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I don't think I ran arnaud out of town lol must have been someone else. Re: the aqaunaut...take it back

Lol I didn’t meant it was you, you just happened to be quoted.

As for Aquanaut, not a chance

[pam66]

Originally Posted by MoosicPa

Don't really understand the hatred towards the 5522 Calatrava Pilot

I like the watch and the style, though I have long been a lover of the pilot style of watches.

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024 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

just what i said, they all look good but very mu h alike. no patek DNA in the pilots.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by pam66

just what i said, they all look good but very mu h alike. no patek DNA in the pilots.

I don't know if I can agree that there is NO Patek DNA in the 5522 Pilot.....

PatekPilot1 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

Patekpilot2 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

[pam66]

Originally Posted by MoosicPa

I don't know if I can agree that there is NO Patek DNA in the 5522 Pilot.....

PatekPilot1 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

Patekpilot2 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

hmmmm.....interesting. thanks.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by pam66

just what i said, they all look good but very mu h alike. no patek DNA in the pilots.

The pilots have MORE Patek DNA than the Nautilus did when that was first released for sure. That said, I really don't think the point of the watch was to copy directly anything in their past, as its sort of its own thing.

If Patek DNA is required for a piece to be liked, then they cant release anything new, ever. DNA seems like a code word for recycled ideas. Thats my thought anyway.
If the Nautilus was never rooted in anything from Patek's past then its always going to be the adopted child, yet no one today thinks its anything other than a biologically true Patek.

[onmyhand]

I saw a you-tube presentation of the 5524G. I share what the presenter mentioned "the pilot watch is not a watch of the past, it is a watch of the future".

On relating to the past, I would like to quote from an article with TS stating "You see it in our museum where you have two original examples. In fact I have another(vintage pilot watch) that can prove to everybody that it's not a copy of Zenith or IWC. Mine was earlier. I've never shown the picture. I kept it in case (the criticism) went too far.

I like the 5524G for what it is, the design, the dial and the pushers.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by onmyhand

I saw a you-tube presentation of the 5524G. I share what the presenter mentioned "the pilot watch is not a watch of the past, it is a watch of the future".

On relating to the past, I would like to quote from an article with TS stating "You see it in our museum where you have two original examples. In fact I have another(vintage pilot watch) that can prove to everybody that it's not a copy of Zenith or IWC. Mine was earlier. I've never shown the picture. I kept it in case (the criticism) went too far.

I like the 5524G for what it is, the design, the dial and the pushers.

i think its both. That video made perfect sense to me. Sure the design touches on the past but at the same time isn't a vintage re-issue and also is a 42mm watch (big for Patek) aimed squarely at the future. The travel time also makes it a Pilot but not for the person flying the plane, but the person riding in it. TS or someone said that.

I totally get its a marmite watch and thats OK, its still 100% Patek though. Just got back from the Patek salon in London as i was looking at the navy calfskin strap for my 5524 this morning. The lady helping me said the waitlist there is 8 years long. People want it for sure, granted they are not making a lot though.

[RussW]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

The pilots have MORE Patek DNA than the Nautilus did when that was first released for sure. That said, I really don't think the point of the watch was to copy directly anything in their past, as its sort of its own thing.

If Patek DNA is required for a piece to be liked, then they cant release anything new, ever. DNA seems like a code word for recycled ideas. Thats my thought anyway.
If the Nautilus was never rooted in anything from Patek's past then its always going to be the adopted child, yet no one today thinks its anything other than a biologically true Patek.

For me, Patek DNA goes deeper than what the watch looks like. It’s the attention to detail, the quality, the construction. If you’re familiar with Patek you could pick up the 5524, and even without the name on the dial, you would know it felt like a Patek. You don’t get that if you’re just looking at photos and saying it looks like a Zenith.

Regarding attention to detail, have a look at Miranda’s post on Patek dial making on Purists forum. That’s way beyond the likes of Zenith, IWC etc.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by RussW

For me, Patek DNA goes deeper than what the watch looks like. It’s the attention to detail, the quality, the construction. If you’re familiar with Patek you could pick up the 5524, and even without the name on the dial, you would know it felt like a Patek. You don’t get that if you’re just looking at photos and saying it looks like a Zenith.

Regarding attention to detail, have a look at Miranda’s post on Patek dial making on Purists forum. That’s way beyond the likes of Zenith, IWC etc.

agreed

[Hpozzuoli]

I will eventually buy a Patek of some fashion. I am drawn to their complications. I don’t see the appeal of their stainless pieces. I hate when special editions are released. I always thought unless the occasion is worthy enough a special edition is a way to jump start poor sales or create buz when all is quite. Richard Mille has special editions for the special editions. The car guys do it, the jewelry people do it, the pocketbook people do it, and the watch people do it too. Using inferior parts is the real issue.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Hpozzuoli

I will eventually buy a Patek of some fashion. I am drawn to their complications. I don’t see the appeal of their stainless pieces. I hate when special editions are released. I always thought unless the occasion is worthy enough a special edition is a way to jump start poor sales or create buz when all is quite. Richard Mille has special editions for the special editions. The car guys do it, the jewelry people do it, the pocketbook people do it, and the watch people do it too. Using inferior parts is the real issue.

the SS are more rare, and quite frankly seem to be the preferred metal of collectors. Most Pateks are PM.

Personally though I tend to pick the watch first and then worry about the metals second. I know some do it the other way around and thats fine too.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by goog53

Less member participation: socaltoaz, lapince, Karl, martinr, incontrol, hairdude, myself, thomaspp, jorge, etc.

even our small audience is splitted between trf and puristpro which is a pitty since we are a few anyhow .

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by MoosicPa

I don't know if I can agree that there is NO Patek DNA in the 5522 Pilot.....

PatekPilot1 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

Patekpilot2 by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150333170@N07/]

adding that AFAIK these pieces are all prototypes never been regulalry produced .
and no PM or SS just chrome plated.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by Passionata

adding that AFAIK these pieces are all prototypes never been regulalry produced .
and no PM or SS just chrome plated.

Fake news... the 96 with the pilot dial was part of Patek's regular production. The other two watches were prototypes.

https://monochrome-watches.com/histo...-reference-96/

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by MoosicPa

Fake news... the 96 with the pilot dial was part of Patek's regular production. The other two watches were prototypes.



https://monochrome-watches.com/histo...-reference-96/

Fake it s a bit harsh not entirely correct is the right way to comment.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by Passionata

Fake it s a bit harsh not entirely correct is the right way to comment.

Sometimes doing a little homework before making generalized, off-the-cuff statements wouldn't hurt. Just saying.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by MoosicPa

Sometimes doing a little homework before making generalized, off-the-cuff statements wouldn't hurt. Just saying.

Out of 3 two of my comments were spot on the third one was wrong indeed but i see you ve a bit overdosed the caffeine today.

[MoosicPa]

Originally Posted by Passionata

Out of 3 two of my comments were spot on the third one was wrong indeed but i see you ve a bit overdosed the caffeine today.

Let's not forget you were also wrong about them being only chrome plated, as the 96 was not chrome plated.

[pam66]

what i learn from this is that the 5524, 5522 are not the first patek-designed pilots. interesting but for me they are still low on patek DNA. but we shall know in 50 years whether this will change...:::))))

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Hpozzuoli

I will eventually buy a Patek of some fashion. I am drawn to their complications. I don’t see the appeal of their stainless pieces. I hate when special editions are released. I always thought unless the occasion is worthy enough a special edition is a way to jump start poor sales or create buz when all is quite. Richard Mille has special editions for the special editions. The car guys do it, the jewelry people do it, the pocketbook people do it, and the watch people do it too. Using inferior parts is the real issue.

The NYE seems to have been a great success according to the many lucky invitees here.