5231J dial

[1688]

Anyone notice the shadow under the Patek and Geneve letters? Seems like the lettering is done on the glass and definitely not directly on the cloisonné dial.

[zahain]

Maybe. The enamel used to have many issues so they probably found it best to have the lettering not on the dial as it caused QC problems. Will obviously see in the next few days to come

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by 1688

Anyone notice the shadow under the Patek and Geneve letters? Seems like the lettering is done on the glass and definitely not directly on the cloisonné dial.

It is probably still on the dial, the dial is basically glass so will cast a shadow onto the base layer.

[toucan]

Either way is a big distraction. Questioning a lot of PP decisions this Basel. Argh!

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by 1688

Anyone notice the shadow under the Patek and Geneve letters? Seems like the lettering is done on the glass and definitely not directly on the cloisonné dial.

Likely on the glass as other manufacturers have done so with their enamel pieces.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by toucan

Either way is a big distraction. Questioning a lot of PP decisions this Basel. Argh!

Change the crystal for one without the lettering! Lol


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[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Russell996

It is probably still on the dial, the dial is basically glass so will cast a shadow onto the base layer.

Personally I doubt it because if you look at your 5131 from the side, the dial is not even, which meant you can’t have even print. This is also one of my major criticisms of Patek world time enamel.

I believe it's on the glass and not on the dial itself.

But of course maybe Patek improves this time around and does a flat polish for the new world time enamel.

Attached is my 5131P, the crappy photo is show the dial is uneven.

[toucan]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

Change the crystal for one without the lettering! Lol


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That will only take 10-12 months.

[soundserious]

Or just engrave the words on the bezel.

[Hamish]

I think that it is on the glass and that Patek have done away with the engraving on the case.
I still prefer this one

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Personally I doubt it because if you look at your 5131 from the side, the dial is not even, which meant you can’t have even print. This is also one of my major criticisms of Patek world time enamel.

I believe it's on the glass and not on the dial itself.

But of course maybe Patek improves this time around and does a flat polish for the new world time enamel.

Attached is my 5131P, the crappy photo is show the dial is uneven.

We might have to wait to see but if you notice how offset the shadow from the hands is it suggests the hands are higher than the writing, if the writing was on the glass the offset would be far more I think - of course these might be put together images so not representative of anything.
The dial is polished flat (and the wires cut back flat) after it's final firing so the ripples you see are in the glass not on the surface (at least that's what I understood)- this is certainly the case on my Tellurium as I have before and after photos showing the wires being trimmed and the surface polished.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Russell996

It is probably still on the dial, the dial is basically glass so will cast a shadow onto the base layer.

or an adhesive label printed with white toner


but seriously the one w/o is a better choice IMHO ,it s a piece of art no need of labelling

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Russell996

We might have to wait to see but if you notice how offset the shadow from the hands is it suggests the hands are higher than the writing, if the writing was on the glass the offset would be far more I think - of course these might be put together images so not representative of anything.
The dial is polished flat (and the wires cut back flat) after it's final firing so the ripples you see are in the glass not on the surface (at least that's what I understood)- this is certainly the case on my Tellurium as I have before and after photos showing the wires being trimmed and the surface polished.

Hello,

Patek does not polish it flat, I can see it clearly from side angle and on my friend’s 5131. That’s why I suggest you do the same with yours. The practice you mentioned is correct but I don’t think Patek practice it, at least not for the 5131 series, maybe for the rare handcraft series like 5177.

Yeah Hermes does flat polish, and while I have never seen Tellurium in person I will take your word for it.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Hello,

Patek does not polish it flat, I can see it clearly from side angle and on my friend’s 5131. That’s why I suggest you do the same with yours. The practice you mentioned is correct but I don’t think Patek practice it, at least not for the 5131 series, maybe for the rare handcraft series like 5177.

Yeah Hermes does flat polish, and while I have never seen Tellurium in person I will take your word for it.

Whilst I don't know the process followed by PP they must polish it at least to remove the protruding cloisonné wires and to finish the surface - I am still of the opinion my dial is flat and that the ripples you are viewing from an angle are in the enamel not on the enamel.

[AK797]

Hope not, had this on a Chopard I used to have and it felt very cheap.

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Whilst I don't know the process followed by PP they must polish it at least to remove the protruding cloisonné wires and to finish the surface - I am still of the opinion my dial is flat and that the ripples you are viewing from an angle are in the enamel not on the enamel.

Hi Russell, looks like you were right and I was wrong, HODINKEE article said the print is on the dial.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Russell996

We might have to wait to see but if you notice how offset the shadow from the hands is it suggests the hands are higher than the writing, if the writing was on the glass the offset would be far more I think - of course these might be put together images so not representative of anything.

The dial is polished flat (and the wires cut back flat) after it's final firing so the ripples you see are in the glass not on the surface (at least that's what I understood)- this is certainly the case on my Tellurium as I have before and after photos showing the wires being trimmed and the surface polished.

Hi Russel ,i ve asked an artisan who works for PP
“
The white words they are called « décalque » they put on the enamel dial.”


And the ripples
“Concerning ripples, they are on the enamel.”

Hope it helps

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Passionata

Hi Russel ,i ve asked an artisan who works for PP
“
The white words they are called « décalque » they put on the enamel dial.”


And the ripples
“Concerning ripples, they are on the enamel.”

Hope it helps

Can you ask if there is another layer on top of the enamel in which they polish it? I checked mine and my friend's again under the loupe and I seriously don't think the dial is flat on the 5131 series.

Maybe it's the reason why Patek didn't have the logo on the dial and engraved on the case instead.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Can you ask if there is another layer on top of the enamel in which they polish it? I checked mine and my friend's again under the loupe and I seriously don't think the dial is flat on the 5131 series.

Maybe it's the reason why Patek didn't have the logo on the dial and engraved on the case instead.

Not flat on mine too (and i m really pleased )
The logo is basically a sticker melted on low heat(180Celsius),no top layers on any dials and the ripples ON the top of the enamel but they can polish it flat.

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Passionata

Not flat on mine too (and i m really pleased )
The logo is basically a sticker melted on low heat(180Celsius),no top layers on any dials and the ripples ON the top of the enamel but they can polish it flat.