Another 1680 red sub - please help :)

[willang]

Would love to hear feedback on this red sub that I am considering

Expert advice appreciated

Thanks!

[Vincent65]

Not an expert, but I like it. Nice MKIV, great patina and matching hands, lovely insert and pearl. Case seems OK too.

[willang]

Additional photos below.

It's been noted to me that the serial of 2.38 M too early for Mk IV dials. Is this correct?

Thanks!

[mluther]

There's a great sticky that will help:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=145962

To answer your question, 2.3 would be considered too early for a MKIV dial - accepted range is from 2.45 - however, there is some tolerance, just depends how sensitive you are to those ranges.

[Alex The Watch Guy]

It has the correct dial for that serial.

[CharlieMae]

Alex: I would disagree with you. I feel the dial is too early for the watch. I question 2.45 watches as being too early, but acceptable. 2.38 is way too early. My 2 cents

[Alex The Watch Guy]

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

Alex: I would disagree with you. I feel the dial is too early for the watch. I question 2.45 watches as being too early, but acceptable. 2.38 is way too early. My 2 cents

Charlie - I stand corrected, you're right. With a 2.38M serial this watch should have a MK II/III meters first dial. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused!

[willang]

Originally Posted by mluther

There's a great sticky that will help:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=145962

To answer your question, 2.3 would be considered too early for a MKIV dial - accepted range is from 2.45 - however, there is some tolerance, just depends how sensitive you are to those ranges.

Originally Posted by CharlieMae

Alex: I would disagree with you. I feel the dial is too early for the watch. I question 2.45 watches as being too early, but acceptable. 2.38 is way too early. My 2 cents

Originally Posted by Alex The Watch Guy

Charlie - I stand corrected, you're right. With a 2.38M serial this watch should have a MK II/III meters first dial. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused!

Thanks ALL!

Good to know that this is yet another franken-watch.

Gonna pass...

[descartes]

For what it's worth, my red sub has a mkiv dial and a 2,36 case number.

[springer]

The Garantie paper is not correct for this watch. It should be the combination Garantie/COSC document !!!!!!!!!!! This is the third red Sub and/or red SeaDweller I've seen this week with incorrect Garantie documents.

[Gina Marie]

Which cert should it have?

[mluther]

Originally Posted by springer

The Garantie paper is not correct for this watch. It should be the combination Garantie/COSC document !!!!!!!!!!! This is the third red Sub and/or red SeaDweller I've seen this week with incorrect Garantie documents.

I'd be grateful if you'd clarify this as my research suggests:

The Official Chronometer Certification, versions "571.01.150/250" are found with case no's between 2m-3m - (as with my 2.7m red sub)

The combination Guarantee paper (starting with version "570.01.300" and at least another 5 combination versions) found with case numbers starting at 3m all the way up to 9.5mill.

[springer]

Originally Posted by mluther

I'd be grateful if you'd clarify this as my research suggests:

The Official Chronometer Certification, versions "571.01.150/250" are found with case no's between 2m-3m - (as with my 2.7m red sub)

The combination Guarantee paper (starting with version "570.01.300" and at least another 5 combination versions) found with case numbers starting at 3m all the way up to 9.5mill.

I should have looked at the paper more closely and apologize for the confusion. Originally I believed it was just the Garantie paper but it is the Rolex chronometer certification. The garantie was probably contained in the small, white booklet used during that era. I am not positive when of the exact year that Rolex made the transition to the combination garantie/COSC certification paper but it would be during the early 1970s.

[Vincent65]

Mine has the double punched papers, and is 2.6mil: