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sub07 · 17 May 2017, 03:27 AM

Hi there,

I've hopefully become a member of the Rolex family. I say this as my better half bought me a 16610LV. It didn't come with any paperwork but with an CTI document to proof its authenticity.

I'm hoping it is the real deal (as she paid the going rate for it) but if the experts on here wouldn't mind casting an eye over the photos and passing comment I'd appreciate it.

The model is an M series with the 92350 strap. Both the rehaut and case numbers match. Everything seems ok - the date changes on the second rotation at 12 forward and backwards at 5.30 ish.

The bezel has 120 clicks for a full rotation.

One thing that troubles me is the marking between the lugs on the ORIG ROLEX DESIGN. Is this something I should be concerned about?

All help greatly appreciated!!!

Cheers

Sub

Hairdude1 · 17 May 2017, 08:14 AM

Welcome

sea-dweller · 17 May 2017, 09:52 AM

Welcome!

Old Expat Beast · 17 May 2017, 10:34 AM

Don't panic that this thread has been moved to the Watchout section. I just put it here because you will get more answers/opinions than in the New Members section.

GLADIATOR · 17 May 2017, 11:28 AM

OK
Date should change every 2nd rotation past 12.00 O clock
1st time is mid day (no date change) 2nd time midnight (date should change).
If it changes at 5.30 - some issue!! Either fake or needs a repair!

Its a "M" serial number that is October 2007 - Oct 2008 - I would NOT expect to see a serial number between lugs anymore, It should just be on the rehaut alone by Oct 2007!!!

Based on serial number and date my feeling is pointing to fake!

The photos are not good enough between lugs to discern authenticity but do look very grainy??.
A

sub07 · 17 May 2017, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

OK
Date should change every 2nd rotation past 12.00 O clock
1st time is mid day (no date change) 2nd time midnight (date should change).
If it changes at 5.30 - some issue!! Either fake or needs a repair!

Its a "M" serial number that is October 2007 - Oct 2008 - I would NOT expect to see a serial number between lugs anymore, It should just be on the rehaut alone by Oct 2007!!!

Based on serial number and date my feeling is pointing to fake!

The photos are not good enough between lugs to discern authenticity but do look very grainy??.
A

Thanks for the feedback Gladiator -

The date changes ever second revolution at the 12oclock position when the date is increased.

The date is decreased when wound backwards on the second revolution at the 5.30 position. I thought that this is a rolex feature and can be difficult to fake.

I believe the serial Number on case at 6 O'clock was an M feature only disappearing with serial numbers.

Maybe I'm way off - please bare in mind I am a newbie to Rolex.

AU_911tt · 17 May 2017, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

OK
Date should change every 2nd rotation past 12.00 O clock
1st time is mid day (no date change) 2nd time midnight (date should change).
If it changes at 5.30 - some issue!! Either fake or needs a repair!

Its a "M" serial number that is October 2007 - Oct 2008 - I would NOT expect to see a serial number between lugs anymore, It should just be on the rehaut alone by Oct 2007!!!

Based on serial number and date my feeling is pointing to fake!

The photos are not good enough between lugs to discern authenticity but do look very grainy??.
A

Most M serial I have seen are between lugs and on rehaut. This does not mean fake.

GLADIATOR · 17 May 2017, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AU_911tt

Most M serial I have seen are between lugs and on rehaut. This does not mean fake.

Have you?
From my side by October 2007 only on rehaut.

Can you post a 2007 with both? Can you post a 2008 with both?

I never said it was fake, only my "suspicion" based on the facts I have and can see.

Note OP has now explained the date changing at 5.30. It changes at 12.00

GLADIATOR · 17 May 2017, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sub07

Thanks for the feedback Gladiator -

The date is decreased when wound backwards on the second revolution at the 5.30 position. I thought that this is a rolex feature and can be difficult to fake.

I never heard or tried this - sorry.

Old Expat Beast · 17 May 2017, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Have you?
From my side by October 2007 only on rehaut.

Can you post a 2007 with both? Can you post a 2008 with both?

I never said it was fake, only my "suspicion" based on the facts I have and can see.

Note OP has now explained the date changing at 5.30. It changes at 12.00

There's plenty of evidence of the joint rehaut & case engraving going well into 2008.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=274273

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=205008

AU_911tt · 17 May 2017, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Have you?
From my side by October 2007 only on rehaut.

Can you post a 2007 with both? Can you post a 2008 with both?

I never said it was fake, only my "suspicion" based on the facts I have and can see.

Note OP has now explained the date changing at 5.30. It changes at 12.00

I've personally sold many and seen many more. Heres a quick example from HQ Milton. I don't have any pictures handy.

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...-6-9-dial-8316

GLADIATOR · 17 May 2017, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AU_911tt

I've personally sold many and seen many more. Heres a quick example from HQ Milton. I don't have any pictures handy.

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...-6-9-dial-8316

Thats good enough for me.
Thanks

BNA/LION · 17 May 2017, 03:37 PM

Welcome to TRF!

sub07 · 17 May 2017, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Don't panic that this thread has been moved to the Watchout section. I just put it here because you will get more answers/opinions than in the New Members section.

Thanks Old Expat Beast!

sub07 · 17 May 2017, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Don't panic that this thread has been moved to the Watchout section. I just put it here because you will get more answers/opinions than in the New Members section.

Thanks for that Old Expat Beast! And thanks for the response guys!

Well today I wanted to see what was inside the case so I took the watch to a specialist service centre in Shanghai. They service all types but had a number of Rolexes in for maintenance.

The guy got the case off, my girlfriend asked if it was a real rolex or a fake. The head technician confirmed it was real - the mechanism needs a good cleaning but in his option its the real deal.

So I took it to two nearby Rolex ADs both never questioned its authenticity.

I guess the only true way to determine everything is correct is to send it to Rolex for a service but I'm start to feel much happier about my LV now...

Johny · 17 May 2017, 11:41 PM

my V serial has both numbers.

cwieb · 18 May 2017, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

OK
Date should change every 2nd rotation past 12.00 O clock
1st time is mid day (no date change) 2nd time midnight (date should change).
If it changes at 5.30 - some issue!! Either fake or needs a repair!

Its a "M" serial number that is October 2007 - Oct 2008 - I would NOT expect to see a serial number between lugs anymore, It should just be on the rehaut alone by Oct 2007!!!

Based on serial number and date my feeling is pointing to fake!

The photos are not good enough between lugs to discern authenticity but do look very grainy??.
A

My M 16610 had between the lugs.

alcrts · 18 May 2017, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Based on serial number and date my feeling is pointing to fake!

Nope, it's real.

GLADIATOR · 18 May 2017, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcrts

Nope, it's real.

Sure is - seeing the movement!

GLADIATOR · 18 May 2017, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny

my V serial has both numbers.

That "is" interesting as it put it then after August 2008

Thanks that info
adam

GLADIATOR · 18 May 2017, 04:20 AM

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GLADIATOR · 18 May 2017, 04:22 AM

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alcrts · 18 May 2017, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Sure is - seeing the movement!

Could've told you before I saw the 3135.

GLADIATOR · 18 May 2017, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcrts

Could've told you before I saw the 3135.

Excellent.
As I stated, based on what I saw, it was "pointing" to fake.

A

sub07 · 18 May 2017, 02:12 PM

Very happy (relieved) that the watch is ok, now I can enjoy wearing it.. really appreciated all you guys taking time out to comment. Thanks!

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