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22 September 2017, 06:53 AM | #61 | |
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I'm not implying that your watch is fake but there is not much sense in all of this if the watch was purchased brand new as you stated. Anyways can't wait to see what the outcome is. Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk |
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22 September 2017, 07:03 AM | #62 |
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Thanks.
I realise that it is my mistake that l have not noticed this sooner, but that cannot be changed now and l will see how this plays out from here. Thankfully checking l have other models in my collection that Rolex got right ! |
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Did you happen to lend the watch to someone in the course of these 13 years? Or perhaps took it to an AD to have the bracelet sized, fixed, a scratched crystal replaced or anything that would make you lose sight of it for a few hours? I've got the feeling someone has tampered with your watch without your knowing. Otherwise you would have noticed the many misalignments on your dial at the beginning. It's one of the first things you'd notice. I could be wrong but that's my gut feeling.
Anyway if Rolex offer to replace the dial with one of the latest versions and mention the dial swap on the service receipt, I'd be happy with that. If they say your dial is not a fake , I'd still have it replaced but would ask to keep the original wonky dial so that you have a great story to tell a potential buyer / collector of you were to part with it one day. |
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If a AD of long standing can be brought into question, as you suggest, then there is a more mayor issue than l realised. |
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22 September 2017, 07:20 AM | #66 | |
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The watch has been in my personnel collection since the day I purchased it from new. It has only been out of its box around a dozen times since then, never having been serviced or returned for any other works. As l have mentioned to others l have no choice but to let this play itself out. |
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Do NOT be on your back foot about this just because you have no legitimate legal right to anything other than the watch as it is. DO NOT let Rolex change the dial out if you (as I) think this will result in a low value frankenwatch. Tell them tomorrow NOT to do this without prior discussion.
If I were you, I'd be pressing for a new replacement and if this model isn't available, another watch of a similar value to what your watch would be worth now OR what it cost new, whichever the higher. Be perfectly pleasant. Ask how they would feel if this were their watch. Explain you weren't a Rolex expert when you bought it and so didn't notice. Why would you? You expected your Rolex purchase to be of the highest standard. They have let YOU down. Don't give in. DO NOT accept what they offer without saying "let me think about it" and then sleep on it. I'm just up the A5 from you, so if you need someone to go with you... |
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Really interesting thread, and I don't mean that at OPs expense with this faulty dial. But seriously never quite heard of Rolex letting something like that slip through their QC processes. I'd be so bummed out as OP.
Maybe I need to start re examining my entire collection with a loupe now ! And please share the outcome. Think everyone is dying to know what Rolex says after they have evaluated it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Appreciate that advice David.
Will let you know how things play out. |
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And your point is ? Like some other posts the point being missed is that there has been human error involved including myself. Just because this is a Rolex that does not mean that does not apply in this instance. Perfection without faults does not exist..... I think for now it is best left until l have received any offer from AD and Rolex. |
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22 September 2017, 07:13 PM | #76 |
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I'm banking on this being all genuine with an error dial. Irregardless of what others opinions are, if you have a flat four anniversary Sub, with an authentic error dial and a letter from Rolex themselves stating it's an authentic dial...it will someday command more from a serious collector!
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Just goes to show that you can never totally rely on web based resources to confirm anything. Clearly there were different dial styles in issue at the same time and with Rolex nothing is certain.
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22 September 2017, 08:09 PM | #78 | |
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I'm just struggling to see the same with a Rolex, not sure why. I guess it's partly because the OP may wish to wear it, and might feel awkward, and that I haven't heard of any other "error" Rolexes. Has anyone? Could this one-offness make this THE most valuable Rolex of all time? The one that slipped through the QC net? Roll over Paul Newman's Daytona...!! |
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Thank you for this, very, very helpful and now makes me firmer in my belief that this simply one that has slipped through the net with a slightly wonky dial. I have checked you comment regarding the 5 and far as l can see with my small magnifying glass they are both identical. |
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I couldn’t see clearly from your pic but on a second look the 5 does look the same, there are slight differences with long/short 5’s on some bezels. I’d leave it as is, these error dials are quirky and you would no doubt get a standard service replacement dial which wouldn’t be in keeping with your watch. |
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After spending a few months searching for the perfect LV set, this post reminds me of what I found available out there. True it seems the most sought after LVs are Y/F serial, Mark I, Oval O, 5 ticks, flat/fat four, etc. But there are many anomalies out there it seems.
This is a NOS F3 full set that was for sale by a very reputable dealer in Germany. Same configuration as the OP's but the dial is not flawed. I have also seen many Y serial full sets that have oval Os but 3 tick configurations. |
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Although l have a collection of Rolexs until l noticed the QC mistake in my dial l had never entered any Rolex forums. I have been fascinated by the response l have had. Generally it has been all good and very helpful, with the odd poke at my inability of not spotting the fault sooner, which l get. What has also been interesting, is that until I received your post and that from loupe I was beginning to think that maybe l am wrong, even with all the paperwork and having purchased the watch from a top AD. because members out there where in no doubt that my watch 2004 F serial must have five ticks and the oval O in Rolex. This has now been proven to be inaccurate, thankfully, but great information for future assistance with other members problems. In conclusion and with the latest information I have decided that once l have received a letter of authenticity from Rolex I will leave the watch as it is, for good, or for bad, it is unique as far as l am aware ? which makes it special for me. Thanks out there for all your help, could not have reached my intended way forward without it ! |
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I'm going to throw it out there and say that this configuration is the rarest. I've seen dozens of Mk1's but just a handful of these. I thought it was maybe only for the US market but have seen 3 (which includes this latest one on the post above) from Europe.
I was called out before for having a Franken watch but slowly these are emerging. Same old story, anything is possible. |
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What I have learned from this thread is that we have what appear to be Mark 5 dials appearing on early F serial LV's. This has not been mentioned to my knowledge on any charts, which are just estimations from watch enthusiasts through data gathering from the internet, etc. As new discoveries are realized these charts are then updated again to be used as future reference points. But in no way are they to be used to guarantee authenticity of a watch.
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I can only repeat as l have said throughout that l purchased this watch from new. It has never been returned to any dealer for work and the original hologram label is still present on the back ( not posted ) If l receive a letter of authenticity from Rolex, then again, surely this in its self is acceptance of the new information that has come forward during the last few days. |
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It s a very interesting thread please keep us updated!
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This is probably as conclusive as it gets. Great thread
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