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Old 14 October 2018, 01:28 PM   #31
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definitely msrp for anything still in production
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Old 14 October 2018, 01:49 PM   #32
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MSRP plus sales tax of 8.25% would be the max I’d spend.
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Old 14 October 2018, 01:49 PM   #33
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I'll wait for 17% under MSRP, like all my other SS models...
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Old 14 October 2018, 02:07 PM   #34
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Not interested even at MSRP. I have the 16710 pepsi and BLNR, which I am more than contended with.

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Old 14 October 2018, 02:20 PM   #35
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Anger? It may be out there but I don't see it here. Maybe I'm out of touch because the ceramic Daytona doesn't do anything for me and I am not a fan of any of the colorful bezels currently offered but I think its very reasonable to hold out for MSRP. Not because it is the true market value but because it is currently the lowest available price and possible given time, luck or relationships. The current difference between AD and grey pricing is equal to a Speedmaster Professional and a few hundred pounds of beef jerky. Who wouldn't wand a free Moonwatch and jerky?
I don't quite understand, sorry. I didn't mean to say you were angry, and I'm not sure about the wand and jerky.

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Old 14 October 2018, 02:24 PM   #36
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I paid MSRP plus tax. Going grey and paying a premium was not even a consideration.


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Old 14 October 2018, 02:41 PM   #37
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Daytona's always been like that years before any SS crazy prices on ALL references started.

Seriously why are GMTs and Subs in SS selling for premium above MSRP? They've been out for years, millions available worldwide and they are simple plain watches with zero complications to them.

I love Rolex and I own many (Precious metal and SS versions and Twin Tone) - but there is a point where it is just stupid.
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Old 14 October 2018, 03:03 PM   #38
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Like I said

Started at 22k, 20k, 18k, 17k, and now even hard to sell in the $16k range. Asia can see these around $16k (low 16s)

It will hit $15k very soon and continue to fall. SS Rolex is on a massive bubble. These watches are purely not worth the asking price. Especially for MODERN pieces that are mass produced and I think many people are realizing this.

Imagine you paid $20k for one and want to resell now? You'd lose more money on this reference than flipping a precious metal piece.

We are not talking 1950s vintage here.


One thing I do agree: the demand drives up the prices. And it is what it is now. These watches are selling at these prices because the sellers look at past transaction prices and then set the price to maximise their profits.

The one thing we don’t know is whether and when this bubble will burst.
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Old 14 October 2018, 03:06 PM   #39
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I think this watch at MSRP is a steal.
I think it seems “cheap” at or below $10k.
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Old 14 October 2018, 03:12 PM   #40
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I expect it to plateau around $15k
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Old 14 October 2018, 03:13 PM   #41
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You can get a superior watch for 17k ... even at retail it’s not an amazing bargain... that’s Rolex brainwashing talking lol
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Old 14 October 2018, 03:19 PM   #42
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You can get a superior watch for 17k ... even at retail it’s not an amazing bargain... that’s Rolex brainwashing talking lol
For what should it be sold (retailed) then?
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Old 14 October 2018, 03:22 PM   #43
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For what should it be sold (retailed) then?
126710blro should be 12k and 116500ln 15k retail.
As is they’re both way underpriced, in both Rolex-terms and also vs everything else in the market.
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Old 14 October 2018, 04:17 PM   #44
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For what should it be sold (retailed) then?
It’s a stainless steel gmt watch...even Rolex people must realize your paying extra for a name... Tudor offers one for 4K... is upgraded steel and some finishing a “value” at 5-6k more? I’m not saying it isn’t a great watch... as soon as it’s available at retail I’ll buy one (if ever)... all I’m saying is it’s not a bargain at retail
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Old 14 October 2018, 04:25 PM   #45
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It’s a great watch but not a go-crazy “must have it now!” watch.
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Old 14 October 2018, 04:29 PM   #46
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Old 14 October 2018, 04:31 PM   #47
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Old 14 October 2018, 04:33 PM   #48
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MSRP plus tax
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Old 14 October 2018, 04:38 PM   #49
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Gotta love the never over msrp posts. Of course this is the correct answer if you can actually get one at msrp.

Otherwise it's "would you like to buy a watch that sells right now for 15k for 11k but retails for 9k?".

"No, because 11k is over msrp"

MSRP means absolutely nothing unless you can actually buy one at MSRP.

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Old 14 October 2018, 04:44 PM   #50
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I'd be willing to pony up $12k for sure and potentially up to $14-15k, but I'd have to think more about it. It is legitimately my dream modern Rolex (yes, I like it even more than the PM pieces), and even I can't stomach the current prices despite being able to pay them.

On one hand, I feel like a $1-2k premium over the BLNR in current market conditions seems reasonable, but on the other, the 2 ADs I've talked to and trust say they've received only 2-3 of these since they started rolling in in May while receiving 5-6 Daytonas in that same timeframe, which would suggest that prices would stay pretty high. I'm pretty high on the list (haven't been told exactly where, but I'm guessing between 6-8) and my SA said I probably won't see one in the next year.

Honestly, though, I think the most important determinant of pricing will be the severity of the impending market correction/crash. If it's reasonably mild, I think prices will end up at $12k, but if it ends up being a more serious event like I expect, I think getting one of these will be like getting a black Submariner in the current market; you might find one in a case, but if not, you won't have to wait more than a few months.
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:18 PM   #51
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Gotta love the never over msrp posts. Of course this is the correct answer if you can actually get one at msrp.

Otherwise it's "would you like to buy a watch that sells right now for 15k for 11k but retails for 9k?".

"No, because 11k is over msrp"

MSRP means absolutely nothing unless you can actually buy one at MSRP.

Agreed. "Never over MSRP" is the most meaningless mantra on here for two reasons:
1) it means you would pay £15k for it if Rolex charged that price
2) Never over MSRP actually just means "never" in the current market conditions of immense surplus demand.
Might as well say "never over MSRP with a 90% discount".
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:25 PM   #52
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$10,500 if it was new. That's a few hundred over MSRP + tax in my area.
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:27 PM   #53
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Msrp and maybe up to $1k more. Hopefully will get the call soon!
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:29 PM   #54
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Maybe another way to think about the question is - if the MSRP was 16k (or 14, or 12) would you still be a buyer?
Not if retail of the BLNR was the £6800 GBP it is today ( ie the pepsi was was priced at retail several thousand higher than the BLNR).
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:30 PM   #55
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its RRP for me only - I have several great watches until then, so no rush.
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:34 PM   #56
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It's worth the money at MSRP and I'd paid it. But nothing more. I certainly would feed the frenzy albeit a softening one.....
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:37 PM   #57
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How times change. It appears RRP is now the 'discounted' price.

When I started it buying, back in 2005...to say the beginning of last year, one with some effort could get at least 5-10% off. Now if you asked, you will, at best, be laughed out the shop, or at worst, sneered at, for wasting their time.
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Old 14 October 2018, 05:44 PM   #58
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Agreed. "Never over MSRP" is the most meaningless mantra on here for two reasons:
1) it means you would pay £15k for it if Rolex charged that price
2) Never over MSRP actually just means "never" in the current market conditions of immense surplus demand.
Might as well say "never over MSRP with a 90% discount".

Basically saying MSRP is 100k and I will pay not a penny more, or MSRP is $1 and I will not pay a penny more.
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Old 14 October 2018, 06:07 PM   #59
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Exactly mate!! Once people start doing that the market will settle massively, and hopefully the greed might start to disappear
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Old 14 October 2018, 06:22 PM   #60
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The current hype about the Pepsi BLRO will disappear around the Baselworld 2019, wherein the new Submariner models and others will supposedly be introduced. So, just wait a few more months.
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