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bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 12:26 AM

I recently bought a used YM. I didn't buy it with box or papers, but what immediately alerted me that my watch may be fake was that as I was wearing it one of the pins on the strap fell out. However, I believe that this YM is at least 10 years old as it doesn't have the ROLEX engraving inside the wall of the case adjacent to the dial.

I have looked up authenticity indicators exhaustively the past day and I plan on taking it to a jeweler (for the first time btw) to authenticate it. However, I would like to be as knowledgeable as possible and would appreciate your input.

I have enclosed a couple of pictures, a few things I have noticed....

1. there is an engraved-crown at the 6 o'clock position.

2. the movement is smooth of the second-hand

3. the date is magnified within the Cyclops

4. the date-adjust does work instantly a few minutes after setting the clock post 24 hours later (according to Hodinkee this may indicate it just needs some servicing)

5. the pins holding the strap together are threaded; I found this out after locating the missing pin.

.....PLEASE let me know of any other pictures I can post that may indicate its authenticity!

Thank You!

Mobikid · 2 February 2018, 12:35 AM

Need more pictures

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bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mobikid

Need more pictures

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If you could tell me the EXACT angle of pictures to take I will post them. I thought posting the engraved-logo was probably the best intial picture to post.

Mobikid · 2 February 2018, 12:38 AM

Well it depends on the quality of the laser etched crown.. some fakes have that. Also, you need to take as many pictures as you can so others can help you

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Bigblu10 · 2 February 2018, 12:39 AM

Just by those 2 images I have serious doubts about authenticity. You need to post better pics, include bracelet clasp, better dial pics.

Jsc37 · 2 February 2018, 12:40 AM

Can’t comment on the watch’s overall authenticity, but I’ve had the screw start to come out on the bracelet of a couple of different rolexes purchased from ADs. I think that can just be an indication of a lack of loctite.

watchwatcher · 2 February 2018, 12:55 AM

Yeah...like others have said, those pics are not going to help us determine authenticity.

Bracelet screws come out on authentic Rolexes, so that by itself is not a cause for concern. I've had it happen a couple of times over the years.

bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 12:59 AM

MORE...

7. The Hour indicators also glow very blue in complete darkness if adequately exposed to light beforehand

8. There are also engravings inside the clasp that are very hard to photograph.

Left Side of logo - Registered Swiss Made
Right Side of logo - ................MA11
................steelinux
................93280

dr35mm · 2 February 2018, 01:01 AM

Easiest way to determine this is posting a photo of the clasp, cyclops, text on dial and verify how does it feel (weight and finish quality).

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TitanCi · 2 February 2018, 01:06 AM

I think your best bet is to take it into a local watchmaker who knows Rolex or take it into an AD to verify, seems to be the easiest thing.

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bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 01:07 AM

Thanks for your input! I am glad to know that a pin falling out isn't necessarily a dealbreaker!

I am going to take it to a luxury watch dealer in the next hour. Are there any questions or talking-points I should bring up with him regarding the YM?

ALSO ANY PICTURES YOU WANT ....I WILL POST...BUT YA GOTTA LET ME KNOW!

travisb · 2 February 2018, 01:12 AM

Bezel finishing looks suspect in the last picture...not sure. Numbers appear to be raised higher than normal but could be the angle.
Have it checked out and let us know.

bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 01:17 AM

EDIT: I'm gonna put off going to the jeweler until I get more feedback from you guys. Want to make sure I go in fully-informed aside from web-surfing for sources (most are very very basic as well and don't indicate the level of skill that counterfeiters have nowadays.

Bigblu10 · 2 February 2018, 01:21 AM

The watch is fake. Just compared it to an image of a genuine one. There are many things wrong with this piece.

epc2 · 2 February 2018, 01:25 AM

Edit: I think there're are some rules about discussing these details in this forum, go to the watchout section and start a thread there, lots of knowledge guys will help you.

Mystro · 2 February 2018, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by travisb

Bezel finishing looks suspect in the last picture...not sure. Numbers appear to be raised higher than normal but could be the angle.
Have it checked out and let us know.

That jumped out at me as well. A few pics don’t feel right to me, I think it’s the crown? I can’t say what exactly as I have never owned a YM. I can always tell a bogus watch just by handeling one in person. Compare your watch to documented authentic pics like these.

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...r-ss-platinum/

Bigblu10 · 2 February 2018, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by epc2

Numbesr in the bezel looks higher , red font looks off , hands colors is different from hour markers, but your pics are not good so pics angle might be an issue, your best bet is to take it to an AD or reputable jeweller.

No need to explain details to the OP. All he has to do is compare the watch to one from a seller here on the forum or an image on the net and the differences are perfectly clear.

REFZ · 2 February 2018, 01:30 AM

Your pics are not the best and I got some doubts and I think it is a fake.

They say buy the seller and not the watch.
Why are you having doubts it could be fake?
Where did you buy the watch?

bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystro

That jumped out at me as well. A few pics don’t feel right to me, I think it’s the crown? I can’t say what exactly as I have never owned a YM. I can always tell a bogus watch just by handeling one in person. Compare your watch to documented authentic pics like these.

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-11...r-ss-platinum/

Problem is a lot of the watches I am looking at seem to be a later model...a YM 11622 rather than a 16622. Maybe there are some fit and finish differences that are not the same.

bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

The watch is fake. Just compared it to an image of a genuine one. There are many things wrong with this piece.

Please be more specific. Thanks.

Bigblu10 · 2 February 2018, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobroberts

Please be more specific. Thanks.

Against forum rules, sorry.

Take it to an AD in the city, and you will find out I am correct.

bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epc2

Edit: I think there're are some rules about discussing these details in this forum, go to the watchout section and start a thread there, lots of knowledge guys will help you.

Thanks....l posted there but no one seems to be replying?

CorradoBrit · 2 February 2018, 02:20 AM

Take it to a watchmaker and have the movement inspected. An experienced wm will know immediately. There are reasons why specifics can't be offered in an open forum as the details assist fake manufacturers improve their designs. Common sense really.

bmrisko · 2 February 2018, 02:31 AM

Fake...as other suggested, one shouldn't specifics on an open forum as that would only aid counterfeiters.

tbonesteak · 2 February 2018, 02:32 AM

Wrong thread, sorry.

epc2 · 2 February 2018, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobroberts

Thanks....l posted there but no one seems to be replying?

Be patient,guys will reply, or go to your local AD.

John DSSD · 2 February 2018, 02:42 AM

Check the thread I made yesterday and the pictures my friend sent me
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=583859

spoilsofwar01 · 2 February 2018, 02:43 AM

How much for? with a receipt? did you get the serial number check out etc? I'm no expert nor familiar with this model, It would be interesting to see the moment.

MonBK · 2 February 2018, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobroberts

Thanks for your input! I am glad to know that a pin falling out isn't necessarily a dealbreaker!

I am going to take it to a luxury watch dealer in the next hour. Are there any questions or talking-points I should bring up with him regarding the YM?

ALSO ANY PICTURES YOU WANT ....I WILL POST...BUT YA GOTTA LET ME KNOW!

Yes, a pic of the movement.

bobroberts · 2 February 2018, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Yes, a pic of the movement.

https://youtu.be/wLyHc7RG7j4

[video=youtube]https://youtu.be/wLyHc7RG7j4[/video]

2 February 2018, 12:26 AM	#1
bobroberts "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 22	HELP! Is my Yacht-Master 1662 FAKE? I recently bought a used YM. I didn't buy it with box or papers, but what immediately alerted me that my watch may be fake was that as I was wearing it one of the pins on the strap fell out. However, I believe that this YM is at least 10 years old as it doesn't have the ROLEX engraving inside the wall of the case adjacent to the dial. I have looked up authenticity indicators exhaustively the past day and I plan on taking it to a jeweler (for the first time btw) to authenticate it. However, I would like to be as knowledgeable as possible and would appreciate your input. I have enclosed a couple of pictures, a few things I have noticed.... 1. there is an engraved-crown at the 6 o'clock position. 2. the movement is smooth of the second-hand 3. the date is magnified within the Cyclops 4. the date-adjust does work instantly a few minutes after setting the clock post 24 hours later (according to Hodinkee this may indicate it just needs some servicing) 5. the pins holding the strap together are threaded; I found this out after locating the missing pin. .....PLEASE let me know of any other pictures I can post that may indicate its authenticity! Thank You!

2 February 2018, 01:01 AM	#9
dr35mm "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Real Name: Peter Location: Caribbean Watch: BB58 Posts: 2,398	Easiest way to determine this is posting a photo of the clasp, cyclops, text on dial and verify how does it feel (weight and finish quality). Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Present: BB58 \| BB36 \| GMW-B5000D-1JF \| 6900-PT80 Past: 16610LN \| 16622 \| 116610LN \| 214270

2 February 2018, 01:30 AM	#18
REFZ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Martin Location: Netherlands Watch: The Rolex Way Posts: 1,471	Your pics are not the best and I got some doubts and I think it is a fake. They say buy the seller and not the watch. Why are you having doubts it could be fake? Where did you buy the watch? __________________ 114060 - 116520 - 126334

2 February 2018, 12:35 AM	#2
Mobikid "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Qatar Posts: 182	Need more pictures Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2 February 2018, 12:38 AM	#4
Mobikid "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Qatar Posts: 182	Well it depends on the quality of the laser etched crown.. some fakes have that. Also, you need to take as many pictures as you can so others can help you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2 February 2018, 12:39 AM	#5
Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	Just by those 2 images I have serious doubts about authenticity. You need to post better pics, include bracelet clasp, better dial pics.

2 February 2018, 12:40 AM	#6
Jsc37 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 48	Can’t comment on the watch’s overall authenticity, but I’ve had the screw start to come out on the bracelet of a couple of different rolexes purchased from ADs. I think that can just be an indication of a lack of loctite.

2 February 2018, 12:55 AM	#7
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 34,479	Yeah...like others have said, those pics are not going to help us determine authenticity. Bracelet screws come out on authentic Rolexes, so that by itself is not a cause for concern. I've had it happen a couple of times over the years.

2 February 2018, 12:59 AM	#8
bobroberts "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 22	MORE... 7. The Hour indicators also glow very blue in complete darkness if adequately exposed to light beforehand 8. There are also engravings inside the clasp that are very hard to photograph. Left Side of logo - Registered Swiss Made Right Side of logo - ................MA11 ................steelinux ................93280

2 February 2018, 01:06 AM	#10
TitanCi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: California Posts: 555	I think your best bet is to take it into a local watchmaker who knows Rolex or take it into an AD to verify, seems to be the easiest thing. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

2 February 2018, 01:07 AM	#11
bobroberts "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 22	Thanks for your input! I am glad to know that a pin falling out isn't necessarily a dealbreaker! I am going to take it to a luxury watch dealer in the next hour. Are there any questions or talking-points I should bring up with him regarding the YM? ALSO ANY PICTURES YOU WANT ....I WILL POST...BUT YA GOTTA LET ME KNOW!

2 February 2018, 01:12 AM	#12
travisb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 32,218	Bezel finishing looks suspect in the last picture...not sure. Numbers appear to be raised higher than normal but could be the angle. Have it checked out and let us know.

2 February 2018, 01:17 AM	#13
bobroberts "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 22	EDIT: I'm gonna put off going to the jeweler until I get more feedback from you guys. Want to make sure I go in fully-informed aside from web-surfing for sources (most are very very basic as well and don't indicate the level of skill that counterfeiters have nowadays.

2 February 2018, 01:21 AM	#14
Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	The watch is fake. Just compared it to an image of a genuine one. There are many things wrong with this piece.

2 February 2018, 01:25 AM	#15
epc2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: florida Watch: 116610LV,Pam etc. Posts: 1,310	Edit: I think there're are some rules about discussing these details in this forum, go to the watchout section and start a thread there, lots of knowledge guys will help you.

2 February 2018, 02:20 AM	#23
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Take it to a watchmaker and have the movement inspected. An experienced wm will know immediately. There are reasons why specifics can't be offered in an open forum as the details assist fake manufacturers improve their designs. Common sense really.

2 February 2018, 02:31 AM	#24
bmrisko "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: TN Valley Watch: Too many... Posts: 490	Fake...as other suggested, one shouldn't specifics on an open forum as that would only aid counterfeiters.

2 February 2018, 02:32 AM	#25
tbonesteak "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New York Watch: me go broke! Posts: 1,657	Wrong thread, sorry.

2 February 2018, 02:42 AM	#27
John DSSD "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: UK Watch: Deepsea, Hulk, YM Posts: 139	Check the thread I made yesterday and the pictures my friend sent me https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=583859

2 February 2018, 02:43 AM	#28
spoilsofwar01 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: "H" Location: England Watch: ing Rainclouds Posts: 1,437	How much for? with a receipt? did you get the serial number check out etc? I'm no expert nor familiar with this model, It would be interesting to see the moment.

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