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Old 2 December 2020, 02:08 AM   #31
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What a story. I think Donna deserves some flowers and Christmas present for being a great person!

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Old 2 December 2020, 02:14 AM   #32
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So, the money is back in your account or still in neverneverland?
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So, the money is back in your account or still in neverneverland?
It is back in my account now. The full amount. Donna deposited it yesterday afternoon.
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Old 2 December 2020, 02:17 AM   #34
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WOW! I'm glad you got your money back...I have a question too, I think David SW's account was hacked recently. He's a trusted seller here and I've even texted with him before. How could one be certain if doing a transaction with him (I'm just using him as an example that's all) that it's him and not the hacker.

I'm paranoid right now b/c I just did annual cyber security training with my firm and geez, I had no idea on some of these things...I'm afraid to connect to someone else's wifi using my cell phone now let alone wiring $10k.
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WOW! I'm glad you got your money back...I have a question too, I think David SW's account was hacked recently. He's a trusted seller here and I've even texted with him before. How could one be certain if doing a transaction with him (I'm just using him as an example that's all) that it's him and not the hacker.

I'm paranoid right now b/c I just did annual cyber security training with my firm and geez, I had no idea on some of these things...I'm afraid to connect to someone else's wifi using my cell phone now let alone wiring $10k.
I have to do that annual cybersecurity training as well. Funny, I work in the industry and have seen it all but the videos always make it seem like bandits are lurching around every corner of the Internet.

Have you tried calling their shop and speaking to David? He has a very distinct accent. I would try that route first, call his store and ask to speak directly to him perhaps? Maybe go to his website and use the chat feature on the website and voice your concerns?
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Old 2 December 2020, 02:51 AM   #36
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I have to do that annual cybersecurity training as well. Funny, I work in the industry and have seen it all but the videos always make it seem like bandits are lurching around every corner of the Internet.

Have you tried calling their shop and speaking to David? He has a very distinct accent. I would try that route first, call his store and ask to speak directly to him perhaps? Maybe go to his website and use the chat feature on the website and voice your concerns?
I know these videos make it seem like a hacker is sitting in my closet waiting to pop out at anytime, haha....
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Wow!! What a story! That's a lot of coin to lose!
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Old 2 December 2020, 03:01 AM   #38
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You are one lucky man ! thanks for sharing.....
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I need to report another scammer JamyMC to a moderator. I don’t have enough posts to post a thread so can a moderator DM me?
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Old 2 December 2020, 04:06 AM   #41
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Fair point. So Donna's back story is that she's originally from Canada. Moved to Oregon to be with her kids. First she moved to Eugene where she opened a Wells Fargo account while she lived there. Eventually she settled in Florence which is about an hour and a half drive from Eugene along the Oregon coast. I looked it up, there closest Wells Fargo is in fact in Eugene...she's not lying about that. Second thing, I spoke to Beth on the phone for some time and she told me she was the assistant branch manager. I also spoke to the branch manager and both are aware of the situation. Can Donna call WF and cancel the check? I don't see how...the funds have already cleared and are in my account. I assume the transaction is completely over. Could she call WF and file a fraud case of her own? Perhaps. But I have a paper trail and 2 branch managers who are aware of the situation that a fraud specialist at WF can verify through.

I think the issue less about Donna canceling the check and more about getting you your refund successfully so that your complaint / investigation is withdrawn enabling her and her co-conspirators to move on to the next ‘opportunity’.


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Old 2 December 2020, 04:09 AM   #42
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WOW! I'm glad you got your money back...I have a question too, I think David SW's account was hacked recently. He's a trusted seller here and I've even texted with him before. How could one be certain if doing a transaction with him (I'm just using him as an example that's all) that it's him and not the hacker.

I'm paranoid right now b/c I just did annual cyber security training with my firm and geez, I had no idea on some of these things...I'm afraid to connect to someone else's wifi using my cell phone now let alone wiring $10k.

I had the same concern — just Call the store and speak with him or one of his associates, which I did. Hard to hijack the brick mortar phone line. Sent him a check and my trade on Rolex and got an amazing Panerai. He’s so solid.


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Sorry to hear that Andrew. I got really really lucky. I won't be making the same mistake twice. In fact, chance of me buying from a private party are going to be very slim now unless I can meet F2F. Good luck with your case, crazy times we're living in.
Stick with Tony. JustRolexes. He is among the best of the best.
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Old 2 December 2020, 06:26 AM   #44
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Stick with Tony. JustRolexes. He is among the best of the best.
I've purchased 2 from Tony and have sold 2 to Tony thus far. All on FTF transactions. One of the best easily.
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Glad it worked out but I don't think it's the mods job to police transactions. If we were paying transaction fees to TRF, then yes, but we don't. If you want that, then go to Chrono24 or eBay.
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Old 2 December 2020, 08:34 AM   #47
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Thank you for sharing your story...these scumbags will they ever stop?
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Old 2 December 2020, 09:22 AM   #48
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Glad it worked out but I don't think it's the mods job to police transactions. If we were paying transaction fees to TRF, then yes, but we don't. If you want that, then go to Chrono24 or eBay.
I'm not asking mods to police anything. This is a forum which is built on top of open source software. Open source software, like the one this forum uses, rely heavily on plug-ins to provide rich functionality and interactivity far beyond what the developer's originally intended the software to be used for. The 2FA Authentication "feature" that is installed here is undoubtedly one of these plugins. My point was more that there is much more likelihood of fraud in our forum than say the Seiko forums for instance. We're dealing with thousands of dollars in transactions daily. If the plugin offered some kind of protection that made it so that a user could not post within a forum unless 2FA was active, that at least would add an additional layer of protection. Even if the scammer phished the credentials from an unsuspecting user, when the scammer went to enable 2FA, the real user of that account would get an email alerting them that someone is trying to enable or disable 2FA on that account. I'm sure mods are just as sick of hearing about locking threads due to fraud or suspected fraud than we are of hearing stories of people getting scammed. It's happening far too often nowadays. They don't have to police anything...just click a checkbox and enable the feature if such a feature were to be available. If not, I would be willing to start a collection fund to hire a PHP developer to go in and build it custom into the software.

For what it's worth, the pledge member page says this:

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So if part of our pledge membership dues are used to fund mitigating malicious users and possible forum activities, then it is the mods job to police transactions.
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I'm not asking mods to police anything. . . . it is the mods job to police transactions[/B].
pondering the inconsistency here.

Bottom line: it’s buyers’ job — not the mods’, not the banks, not the FBI, etc — to pay attention to red flags, which are numerous and obvious in most cases.


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For what it's worth, the pledge member page says this:

This donation helps support the forum, its running costs and updating/upgrading. In particular the donations maybe used to fund the costs of mitigating malicious users and possible forum activities.

So if part of our pledge membership dues are used to fund mitigating malicious users and possible forum activities, then it is the mods job to police transactions.
The keyword being “maybe”
Mods are banning suspicious sellers/ members all the time.
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pondering the inconsistency here.

Bottom line: it’s buyers’ job — not the mods’, not the banks, not the FBI, etc — to pay attention to red flags, which are numerous and obvious in most cases.


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I'm not asking mods to police anything. This is a forum which is built on top of open source software. Open source software, like the one this forum uses, rely heavily on plug-ins to provide rich functionality and interactivity far beyond what the developer's originally intended the software to be used for. The 2FA Authentication "feature" that is installed here is undoubtedly one of these plugins. My point was more that there is much more likelihood of fraud in our forum than say the Seiko forums for instance. We're dealing with thousands of dollars in transactions daily. If the plugin offered some kind of protection that made it so that a user could not post within a forum unless 2FA was active, that at least would add an additional layer of protection. Even if the scammer phished the credentials from an unsuspecting user, when the scammer went to enable 2FA, the real user of that account would get an email alerting them that someone is trying to enable or disable 2FA on that account. I'm sure mods are just as sick of hearing about locking threads due to fraud or suspected fraud than we are of hearing stories of people getting scammed. It's happening far too often nowadays. They don't have to police anything...just click a checkbox and enable the feature if such a feature were to be available. If not, I would be willing to start a collection fund to hire a PHP developer to go in and build it custom into the software.

For what it's worth, the pledge member page says this:

This donation helps support the forum, its running costs and updating/upgrading. In particular the donations maybe used to fund the costs of mitigating malicious users and possible forum activities.

So if part of our pledge membership dues are used to fund mitigating malicious users and possible forum activities, then it is the mods job to police transactions.

Building anything custom dev-wise comes with a commitment to keep the feature up and running + creates technical debt. I agree that it wouldn't be rocket science but it's not like TRF is some VC-funded company with a massive dev budget. As dumb as it sounds, even a simple update from another plugin they are running or updates to the core software can break other plugins which creates layers of headache which I'm not sure a community forum is realistically going to bother with.

Personally I think any time you do business on a platform that doesn't explicitly promise anything then it's your job to be aware/mitigate issues like this.

I've bought/sold close to 400+ items on various forums including watches worth a lot more than a Rolex and rare vintage guitars...maybe ran into 4 or 5 issues total but it requires a lot of diligence. The four times I ran into issues were 100% me not being diligent enough - not the fault of the folks running the forum.

BTW TRF doesn't promise anywhere to be magically free of fraud and it's impossible to keep a forum 100% fraud-free with a team of volunteers.

They do a great job with the resources they have IMO.

Again, it sucks you ran into issues and I was almost scammed last year too but it just comes with selling and buying online unless you're on something like Chrono24 or eBay (and those are dicey too lol).
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Unbelievable story. Glad you got your money back. Buy Dona a present.
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This sounds like a scam in its-self to me.

Am I right in thinking you have now dropped the case so what is to prevent her from returning it via a dodgy cheque or cancelling payment , still seems fishy to me.

Best of luck with the outcome.
Sounds legit - Donna is an unwitting player to wash the funds.

I would love it if a 2FA badge or similar could be applied for people using 2FA?
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Bottom line: it’s buyers’ job — not the mods’, not the banks, not the FBI, etc — to pay attention to red flags, which are numerous and obvious in most cases.


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Whatever. I wrote the message, then saw the post on pledge membership, then went back and edited my post.

But, here again, I’m not asking mods to police anything. If 2FA were required to post a WTS ad, then it’s automated...they’re not doing the grunt work of policing the bad apples.
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Thanks for sharing your story. If it helps one person you have done a great service. My heart goes out to Donna but it’s better she found out now before she got more involved.
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Unbelievable story. Glad you got your money back. Buy Dona a present.
Yes, I would do something nice for Donna, I think she needs it after what she's been through.
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Well I hasten to add:use a cc , Amx for payment. I don’t care if the seller is the Pope! If at all the scams or even inadvertent sellers making a mistake this one rule will solve virtually all problems . I had a very well known seller on a $50,000 plus’s timepiece “forget” to send me an extra back piece that was supposed to part of complete kit. He said “well I will TRY to get it for you from person I bought piece from - it will take a couple weeks” I told him I wanted it wi 2 days or I would dispute w AMX $6000 of the charge to make up for the missing solid gold back. An amazing thing happened- he got it to me overnight! Had I stupidly sent a wire, I have no doubt the story would have been different.Innocent mistake? Maybe ,but my protection was assured whether I “bought” the seller or not. Do what you want but for me it’s AMX for payment even if seller insists on my paying the discount. I am not sending a box of irretrievable cash (a wire) to any stranger. Period. If it is an individual pp with AMX is the answer for me. If they say nope , simple- I will find another seller- there’s plenty who will.You must protect yourself! James in San Antonio Tx
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Well I hasten to add:use a cc , Amx for payment. I don’t care if the seller is the Pope! If at all the scams or even inadvertent sellers making a mistake this one rule will solve virtually all problems . I had a very well known seller on a $50,000 plus’s timepiece “forget” to send me an extra back piece that was supposed to part of complete kit. He said “well I will TRY to get it for you from person I bought piece from - it will take a couple weeks” I told him I wanted it wi 2 days or I would dispute w AMX $6000 of the charge to make up for the missing solid gold back. An amazing thing happened- he got it to me overnight! Had I stupidly sent a wire, I have no doubt the story would have been different.Innocent mistake? Maybe ,but my protection was assured whether I “bought” the seller or not. Do what you want but for me it’s AMX for payment even if seller insists on my paying the discount. I am not sending a box of irretrievable cash (a wire) to any stranger. Period. If it is an individual pp with AMX is the answer for me. If they say nope , simple- I will find another seller- there’s plenty who will.You must protect yourself! James in San Antonio Tx
Great tip James and well received, thanks for sharing.
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