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Old 4 February 2018, 08:28 AM   #1
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GMT 1675 converted to submariner

Hi all,

Im new to the site and still trying to learn what I can. I have a question for those far more experienced than I.

I have a GMT 1675 that I got for a very, very good price. The issue is the watch was converted to a blue/gold submariner many years ago. I just got back from the jewelry store and confirmed the watch is authentic.

Though I'm sure the submariner parts are not authentic.

My question to you all is what would you do in my situation?

I would really like to get it back to what it originally was, a Circa 1973 GMT. Iv been looking around at finding original dials, bezel, and hands. I want to make sure I stay true to the year/model GMT as far as dial color and bracelet options.

I know it won't be cheap, but once completed will there be any value to the watch since the parts aren't the original?

Thanks so much, glad to be on the site!
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Old 4 February 2018, 09:15 AM   #2
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You mean converted from a blue/gold sub?
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Old 4 February 2018, 09:57 AM   #3
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I have a GMT 1675 that I got for a very, very good price. The issue is the watch was converted to a blue/gold submariner many years ago. I just got back from the jewelry store and confirmed the watch is authentic.

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Sorry, it can't be "authentic" since no such animal exists.

Perhaps you have a watch what was made from a box of odd parts (Frankenwatch) ? Without knowing what parts came from what or go where, it would be impossible to make a suggestion on how to approach this.
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Old 4 February 2018, 10:02 AM   #4
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Old 4 February 2018, 10:10 AM   #5
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hmm okay, thanks for the input. Ill post some pics and maybe you guys can give me some insight. Thanks!
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Old 4 February 2018, 10:21 AM   #6
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Tried to post pics but I need 10 posts before it will let me, I’m to new lol


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Old 4 February 2018, 10:23 AM   #7
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GMT 1675 converted to submariner

When I removed the bracelet the ref # was 1675
The serial # 3298xxx


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Old 4 February 2018, 10:29 AM   #8
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Old 4 February 2018, 03:43 PM   #10
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Does it have the correct movement? You could have it looking right with a dial, bezel insert and GMT hand if it does.
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Old 4 February 2018, 06:28 PM   #11
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LOL!!! Why did the previous owner do this? Seems rather crazy.
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Old 4 February 2018, 06:29 PM   #12
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The key is the movement! What’s inside making her tick right now.
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Old 5 February 2018, 04:49 AM   #13
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Super weird.
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Old 5 February 2018, 08:23 AM   #14
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It’s very strange, I have no idea why or when the previous owner did the change. I’ll take the back off and send you guys a pic of the movement, might give us some more insight


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Old 5 February 2018, 10:10 AM   #15
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Very interesting! I guess if you have extra parts, why not?

However the small crown of the gmt is one of my least fav features when compared to a sub.
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Old 5 February 2018, 12:41 PM   #16
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Think outside the box. It's extremely unlikely the creator did a conversion. They would of found cheap individual parts and decided to make a franken-watch to flip for profit.
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Old 5 February 2018, 01:12 PM   #17
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Think outside the box. It's extremely unlikely the creator did a conversion. They would of found cheap individual parts and decided to make a franken-watch to flip for profit.
you could absolutely be right. whatever the situation thought, i would love to get it back to a gmt if we can confirm it has a gmt movement. if it doesn't have a gmt moment ill start thinking of plan B!

Thanks for the comments everyone, please keep them coming with any opinions, insight or input!
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Old 5 February 2018, 03:02 PM   #18
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you could absolutely be right. whatever the situation thought, i would love to get it back to a gmt if we can confirm it has a gmt movement. if it doesn't have a gmt moment ill start thinking of plan B!

Thanks for the comments everyone, please keep them coming with any opinions, insight or input!
GMT movements have more hands and larger posts, which require a bigger hole in the dial, so it's unlikely that there is a GMT movement inside. The photos aren't very good, but the dial appears sketchy too...... the case seems to be machined for much, much later SEL's, and those end links.

Perhaps better detail and a good look at that movement may help with this puzzle.
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Old 5 February 2018, 03:19 PM   #19
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Hmm...well I can honestly say I’ve never seen anything quite like this...just doesn’t make sense to do such a thing...surely not for a monetary gain or not of any significance at least...I am interested to see what caliber movement is inside though..
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Old 6 February 2018, 10:33 AM   #20
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I agree with Larry...the dial looks suspect. Further, the watch (and whole situation) is so problematic that it's nearly impossible to give any cogent advice without inspecting the timepiece very, very thoroughly, in-hand. You might try this: take an in-state trip to Arlington and set up a consultation with Bob Ridley at Watchmakers Intl. Bob will be able to provide you with a clear set of options, and their price-points.
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Old 6 February 2018, 10:45 AM   #21
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I got a 2001 stainless submariner 16610 for $3700 last year. The deal was so good I went for it, I knew I can change the bezel from black to green like the 50 anniversary green 16610LV. I didn’t want to spend 8k for the same watch. I kept my black insert and got a original green insert for $140 installed. This is ok but changing the watch from GMT to submariner is not kosher.

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Old 6 February 2018, 10:51 AM   #22
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But you can't really show that pix and mention 16610LV in the same post can you?

It is not the 'same watch'.

An original 16610LV bezel installed for $140?

Yeah, that all sounds 'kosher'?
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What in the name of all that's holy is going on here???

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Old 6 February 2018, 11:48 PM   #24
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Definitely all a bit bizarre...
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Old 7 February 2018, 12:29 AM   #25
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But you can't really show that pix and mention 16610LV in the same post can you?

It is not the 'same watch'.

An original 16610LV bezel installed for $140?

Yeah, that all sounds 'kosher'?
He didn't say it was an 16610LV did he? Also, other than the dial and hands the 16610 and the 16610lv are the same exact watch.

Finally a LV insert can definitely be found for that price if you look around long enough so yes his watch is pretty "KOSHER"
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Old 10 March 2018, 02:50 PM   #26
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Hey guys! Update on the watch, I sent it off to the watchmaker. He did indeed confirm it is a 1675 along with the GMT movement. The submariner parts are not genuine. the movement is indeed a GMT movement, but missing a few gears(GMT hand) and in desperate need of a service. Currently in the process of searching for the Dial, Hands and Bezel. He will then take everything apart and hopefully put it all back together as a pepsi 1675.

Obviously ill be needing to get a new bracelet, would an oyster bracelet be acceptable or did original 1675's only come with jubilee?
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Old 11 March 2018, 04:19 PM   #27
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It was available both ways. Please post pics when it’s done!
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Old 11 March 2018, 04:31 PM   #28
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Old 13 March 2018, 12:50 AM   #30
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About 15 years ago, I purchased a 1971 GMT that someone had converted to a "Yacht-Master" (in fact I still have the dial which I don't believe is genuine). The movement was fine. After sourcing the correct bezel insert, dial and hands, I finally had a very nice Pepsi GMT.
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