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10 February 2018, 07:16 AM | #61 | |
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But, in general, I agree that the prices of 5711 and 15202s are probably not as related as I'd like to think. Begs to wonder though, why exactly are 5711 prices going though the roof whereas other "rare" pieces are not? Can't really just be supply, can it? |
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Scarcity (rarity) may be in the same ballpark but the demand isnt. |
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I actually think AP makes less 15202's than Patek makes 5711's. Look at the re sale. The demand isnt there (in a Patek sense). Maybe that is a good thing though as its less of a watch that people buy for no other reason than to re sell. |
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I agree that AP is under the radar. In europe its around a bit more, but the US its not known nearly enough. |
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Agree though you can’t really compare the 5711/5712 Vs the 15202. |
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The 15202 to be fair is too similar to a 15300, 15400, 15450 to ever get the attention of a 5711. Thats the only nautilus with time and a date (only men's model that is). Its just not worth it to most people. That is 90% of the lack of insane demand right there. Then throw in multiple color dial variations among all the RO variants (silver, black, blue, grey) and you further split demand. Patek has two dial colors for the 5711 and funnels the demand better into two variants or one option in the case of a SS 5712. |
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The RO Blue Hype is heading toward 5711 territory
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To the average person, you’re probably right. In my mind they are quite different watches. Yes, I’m biased in that I own a 15202. It’s almost the perfect watch in my opinion, in any metal. I also wouldn’t describe Patek as ubiquitous. Step out of the bubble we live in and most people don’t even know what Patek is. |
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I think the 202 is under-supplied, they could sell a lot more if they produced more and then buyers could actually see them in AD windows, which we never do. With the Nautilus caught in the vicious cycle of ever rising prices and demand, AP should produce more of the 202 and scoop up all the frustrated 5711 demand. |
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IMO the "average" person who what creates the crazy demand because there are way more of them, not us... and with AP they have more choices in the many RO variants. My first AP was a 15400 when i first got into the brand. Knowing what i know now it would have been a 15202 instead. Thats what im saying, those who dont know pass it right over. |
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I never warm up to the PP 5711A. Nearly all my WIS friends who are PP collectors got one and I have many chances to buy it in the past but didn't. I still much prefer my Jumbo 15202. A more exciting looking blue dial, a nicer looking bracelet and the design and proportion is perfect in every way. Both watches are currently in supply driven demand mode and will continue to be so. But I think many who buy 5711 is due to the resale cache. Less so for jumbo.
That said, the 5711 in RG is an entirely different story.
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Agreed, and you make a good point about the “average” person creating a lot of demand for the nautilus |
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I debating long and hard between the 5711 and 15202 starting in 2015 (when both were readily obtainable) to commemorate a particular milestone in 2017. After teetering back and forth I concluded that the 15202 is the better watch overall for me and I still stand by it. Sure, from a resale perspective the 5711 is far superior, but I had (and still have) zero intent of selling this piece that has sentimental value to me. |
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I would agree AP makes less 15202 than Patek makes 5711s and Patek makes less 5711 than Rolex makes Daytona’s. They all make and distribute way less than the demand to increase the buzz and secondary prices. I wouldn’t pay over retail for any of them. We have no idea if any of them “make them and hold them back” or just make less production. In the end they all don’t make enough to inflate prices. |
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A Trusted Seller has one for a hair above 18k.
So, to me, it doesn’t seem like prices on these are going anywhere super crazy soon. |
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He is talking 15400 blue not jumbo. Thanh has it.
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Ah, got it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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pre-owned 2014 jumbo just listed for USD25.5k.
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I just saw that. I can’t remember the last time I saw one listed here, either. Whether the scarcity is organic or manufactured, I can see these hitting $30,000 USD before the year is over. Who knows though, I’m usually wrong about such things...that’s why I’m not a speculator.
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This is going to sound silly, but I tend to find these price increases and non-availability have me enjoying my piece less. I worry about having it stolen or damaged and then not being able to find a replacement even with insurance, and end up leaving it in the safe deposit box more often. Whereas with commodified pieces, I am more free to just wear and enjoy. |
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