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kronomentro · 28 May 2018, 05:20 AM

Ok Gents, while we all lament (or celebrate if you are already an owner) the second hand prices of the 5711/12, Im curious how this influences a new purchase decision. So, 10 options-If you had around $50k, which of these watch acquisitions would you make? Tough to account for all the various options in case metal, case diameter, scope of box/papers and condition of course but lets assume reasonable market levels/status. E.g. I know a 6239 double swiss underline technically would fit the poll entry but we all know that particular version is waaaay past $50k-ish. Pls post if I overlooked your preferred option

SL BRABUS · 28 May 2018, 05:44 AM

Any Patek 5170 J, R, or G preowned around 50K......

Foxman2k · 28 May 2018, 05:49 AM

Does AP 15407 count?

kronomentro · 28 May 2018, 06:00 AM

Im glad u brought up the AP 15407! I totally didnt know what to do with that one. I see MSRP at $44.1k and Chrono24 prices at around $70k. Similar premium (in percent terms) to the steel Nautilus models. How about the wait list times? 5711/12 running 3-5 years. What about the 15407?

AK797 · 28 May 2018, 06:14 AM

I'd choose the 5712 just over the Dato. Could maybe get a used Zeitwerk for 50.

jschmidtdmd · 28 May 2018, 06:25 AM

5712 or 15407 for me!

soundserious · 28 May 2018, 07:04 AM

6239

sensui · 28 May 2018, 09:32 AM

Platinum Daytona, 3940g, 5170g. Or save some money if you can grab the 5712a for msrp.

Foxman2k · 28 May 2018, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jschmidtdmd

5712 or 15407 for me!

This.

iLLGT2 · 28 May 2018, 10:16 AM

RO Skeleton or find a used 5960P for low 50's (however mine broke twice) as well as all my Pateks
AP it is

Ichiran · 28 May 2018, 10:23 AM

I voted for the 5711. I think beauty in the simplest dial is the hardest to achieve, and to me, the 5711 is perfect in every way.

thomaspp · 28 May 2018, 11:21 AM

6239 all day.... 3940 second

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jrs146 · 28 May 2018, 11:21 AM

I’d go 5712

brandrea · 28 May 2018, 11:53 AM

Since we’re dreaming ... What about a pair of 5711 white and blue at list from an AD

kronomentro · 28 May 2018, 01:13 PM

Chronographs charging ahead of the pack! I'm really surprised with the performance of AP tho, looks like a lot of people respecting the haute RO

lapince · 28 May 2018, 03:33 PM

I put 5712 because it is my favorite owned watch and favorite at that price zone, though I would really not recommend buying one for those crazy prices

codecow · 28 May 2018, 09:54 PM

Aren't those openworked AP a bit of a challenge to get?

HL65 · 28 May 2018, 10:08 PM

I think the 5170G right now along with the J represent great value and can be bought under $50K. Perhaps some day collectors come around to them. So for the money it’s a great reference and true value in secondary market.

Jay (Eire) · 28 May 2018, 11:48 PM

Owning some of those listed, I chose the 5170G. I think it's a good one for the long haul, when trends change the 5170 will likely still be there with no more or no less demand that currently. Maybe even it picks up a little. Plus there'd be a few thousand or more to spare to spend on something else.

rolexpatek363 · 29 May 2018, 12:04 AM

5712 for me, please.

ap1 · 29 May 2018, 12:18 AM

12 or the old size skeleton

Rockrolex · 29 May 2018, 12:28 AM

I would go for the AP PC. I'm all about maximizing complications, except for chronos.

tyler1980 · 29 May 2018, 01:05 AM

none... 5990

Of your options a 41mm Pt datograph.... if i could find one for that price.

kronomentro · 29 May 2018, 01:30 AM

What are the waist lists like on a 5990 or 41 mm AP RO open worked? Looks like they both meet the price range and I overlooked them. Any other watches I missed? I may post another poll and replace the under performers.

kronomentro · 29 May 2018, 04:46 AM

Thanks for educating me on the market folks. So after the pilot poll, pls see the above update reflecting some omissions and removing some under performers. Comments always appreciated.

g3ncs · 29 May 2018, 07:11 AM

5711 not that attractive now cause second hand market price is 20k 30k above retail.

Rockrolex · 29 May 2018, 07:21 AM

My answer is the same as before (see https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=607103, post #22).

tyler1980 · 29 May 2018, 07:41 AM

As much as i love the 5711, paying 50K for that makes no sense with a 5170G or a Datograph on the table for the same money. So in that sense im glad i don't like only one watch as the value aspect would come into play in some of these head to heads

Still picked the 5990 though

jrs146 · 29 May 2018, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

As much as i love the 5711, paying 50K for that makes no sense with a 5170G or a Datograph on the table for the same money. So in that sense im glad i don't like only one watch as the value aspect would come into play in some of these head to heads

Still picked the 5990 though

I picked 5712 last time. But with the different parameters I’ve moved to 5990 which may be my next watch.

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tyler1980 · 29 May 2018, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrs146

I picked 5712 last time. But with the different parameters I’ve moved to 5990 which may be my next watch.

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it really is an amazing piece and its probably the sportiest Patek as the thickness makes it wear more like a sub and not an ultra thin dress watch.

View Poll Results: If you had around $50k for a watch purchase, you would choose..
Patek 5711A Second Hand	12	8.45%
Patek 5712A Second Hand	28	19.72%
Patek 5170G	25	17.61%
Patek 5235G	2	1.41%
Patek 5168G	6	4.23%
Patek 3940 or 5140 (to allow larger case option)	12	8.45%
AP RO 15305 Skeleton	13	9.15%
AP RO 26574 Perpetual Calendar	14	9.86%
Lange Datograph 39mm/41mm	16	11.27%
Rolex 6239/6262 prob w/o Box/Papers	14	9.86%
Voters: 142. You may not vote on this poll

28 May 2018, 05:20 AM	#1
kronomentro "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: kæl.ɪ.ˈ Watch: APRO & PPRegulator Posts: 133	$50k-ish for a watch Poll Ok Gents, while we all lament (or celebrate if you are already an owner) the second hand prices of the 5711/12, Im curious how this influences a new purchase decision. So, 10 options-If you had around $50k, which of these watch acquisitions would you make? Tough to account for all the various options in case metal, case diameter, scope of box/papers and condition of course but lets assume reasonable market levels/status. E.g. I know a 6239 double swiss underline technically would fit the poll entry but we all know that particular version is waaaay past $50k-ish. Pls post if I overlooked your preferred option

28 May 2018, 06:25 AM	#6
jschmidtdmd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: John Location: Denver Posts: 2,294	5712 or 15407 for me! __________________ Watches!

28 May 2018, 07:04 AM	#7
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	6239 __________________ Instagram: soundsoserious

28 May 2018, 11:21 AM	#12
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,136	6239 all day.... 3940 second Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

28 May 2018, 05:44 AM	#2
SL BRABUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: U.S.A Watch: Only Rolex & Patek Posts: 3,345	Any Patek 5170 J, R, or G preowned around 50K...... __________________ Rolex Forum: Mainly Rolex & Benz pictures...!!! Click the above link to join the club...^^^... "SL BRABUS" aka BenzWorld Undercover Moderator

28 May 2018, 05:49 AM	#3
Foxman2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Boston Posts: 282	Does AP 15407 count?

28 May 2018, 06:00 AM	#4
kronomentro "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: kæl.ɪ.ˈ Watch: APRO & PPRegulator Posts: 133	Im glad u brought up the AP 15407! I totally didnt know what to do with that one. I see MSRP at $44.1k and Chrono24 prices at around $70k. Similar premium (in percent terms) to the steel Nautilus models. How about the wait list times? 5711/12 running 3-5 years. What about the 15407?

28 May 2018, 06:14 AM	#5
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,225	I'd choose the 5712 just over the Dato. Could maybe get a used Zeitwerk for 50.

28 May 2018, 09:32 AM	#8
sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,356	Platinum Daytona, 3940g, 5170g. Or save some money if you can grab the 5712a for msrp.

28 May 2018, 10:16 AM	#10
iLLGT2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Martin Location: NY And FLA Watch: AP ROO Blue Scuba Posts: 2,694	RO Skeleton or find a used 5960P for low 50's (however mine broke twice) as well as all my Pateks AP it is

28 May 2018, 10:23 AM	#11
Ichiran 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Dotonbori Watch: Mostly blue dials Posts: 7,622	I voted for the 5711. I think beauty in the simplest dial is the hardest to achieve, and to me, the 5711 is perfect in every way.

28 May 2018, 11:21 AM	#13
jrs146 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: Lost in time Watch: Me Nae Nae Posts: 9,821	I’d go 5712 __________________ "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." -Jerome J. Garcia, Robert C. Hunter

28 May 2018, 11:53 AM	#14
brandrea 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 73,674	Since we’re dreaming ... What about a pair of 5711 white and blue at list from an AD

28 May 2018, 01:13 PM	#15
kronomentro "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: kæl.ɪ.ˈ Watch: APRO & PPRegulator Posts: 133	Chronographs charging ahead of the pack! I'm really surprised with the performance of AP tho, looks like a lot of people respecting the haute RO

28 May 2018, 03:33 PM	#16
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	I put 5712 because it is my favorite owned watch and favorite at that price zone, though I would really not recommend buying one for those crazy prices

28 May 2018, 09:54 PM	#17
codecow "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: PP 5131R Posts: 4,785	Aren't those openworked AP a bit of a challenge to get?

28 May 2018, 10:08 PM	#18
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,398	I think the 5170G right now along with the J represent great value and can be bought under $50K. Perhaps some day collectors come around to them. So for the money it’s a great reference and true value in secondary market. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

28 May 2018, 11:48 PM	#19
Jay (Eire) 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: @jb.watching Location: NYC Posts: 1,469	Owning some of those listed, I chose the 5170G. I think it's a good one for the long haul, when trends change the 5170 will likely still be there with no more or no less demand that currently. Maybe even it picks up a little. Plus there'd be a few thousand or more to spare to spend on something else.

29 May 2018, 12:04 AM	#20
rolexpatek363 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: up a hill Posts: 1,639	5712 for me, please.

29 May 2018, 12:18 AM	#21
ap1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,041	12 or the old size skeleton

29 May 2018, 12:28 AM	#22
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,507	I would go for the AP PC. I'm all about maximizing complications, except for chronos. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

29 May 2018, 01:05 AM	#23
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	none... 5990 Of your options a 41mm Pt datograph.... if i could find one for that price. __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

29 May 2018, 01:30 AM	#24
kronomentro "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: kæl.ɪ.ˈ Watch: APRO & PPRegulator Posts: 133	What are the waist lists like on a 5990 or 41 mm AP RO open worked? Looks like they both meet the price range and I overlooked them. Any other watches I missed? I may post another poll and replace the under performers.

29 May 2018, 04:46 AM	#25
kronomentro "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: kæl.ɪ.ˈ Watch: APRO & PPRegulator Posts: 133	$50k-ish for a Watch Poll 2.0 Thanks for educating me on the market folks. So after the pilot poll, pls see the above update reflecting some omissions and removing some under performers. Comments always appreciated.

29 May 2018, 07:11 AM	#26
g3ncs "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Patek Philippe Posts: 20	5711 not that attractive now cause second hand market price is 20k 30k above retail.

29 May 2018, 07:21 AM	#27
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,507	My answer is the same as before (see https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=607103, post #22). __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

29 May 2018, 07:41 AM	#28
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	As much as i love the 5711, paying 50K for that makes no sense with a 5170G or a Datograph on the table for the same money. So in that sense im glad i don't like only one watch as the value aspect would come into play in some of these head to heads Still picked the 5990 though __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

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