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Old 26 March 2023, 02:48 AM   #121
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That said, if it looks like this, with the fat un-tapering bracelet with angular curves, it would be a great success in my eyes:
An un-tapering bracelet would make me run away from this watch. To me it looks really unflattering. A mix of those models would be the best solution in my opinion. This is what I could get behind:



This would already be a bit too angular for me:



By the way, all the promo material released is pointing to the graph paper design of this dial.
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Old 26 March 2023, 04:03 AM   #122
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Certainly to each his own. I like the fat bracelet because it offers a different alternative to virtually every other integrated bracelet, except perhaps for the 222, which is rather wide.

I would hate to see the IWC make something that looks indistinct from a [fill in the name] integrated watch at a distance. Be bold I say.


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Old 26 March 2023, 05:18 AM   #123
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An un-tapering bracelet would make me run away from this watch. To me it looks really unflattering.
I can't imagine an. un-tapered bracelet if the watch is going to be 40mm. Those vintage ones were more like 36, and if that bracelet already looked too wide...
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Old 26 March 2023, 06:36 AM   #124
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Yeah I think that the bracelet being that wide on a 40mm watch with no taper would mean like the bracelet being almost 24mm all around your wrist. It’s one of the reasons why I won’t consider an Octo Finissimo, as that bracelet is huge. It almost feels like wearing a bracelet instead of a watch. It’s just not my taste.
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Old 26 March 2023, 12:22 PM   #125
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I’m going with them to and completely agree. Ceratanium version would be epic.


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sorry no precious metal or anything more than stainless steel this year, thus the price is at 12k only.

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Old 26 March 2023, 04:53 PM   #126
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Supposedly these screenshots were taken from the IWC website or Instagram when these photos were up briefly.
Looks the case will crown guards alsoThe holes seem to be there.

And… here it is



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Old 26 March 2023, 05:55 PM   #127
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They look gorgeous!! What are the diameter and thickness?
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Old 26 March 2023, 06:04 PM   #128
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Thanks for the pics! First impression watch bracelet and proportions look nice.

Not sure why the crown guard was needed and is so big and more importantly the dial feels like a miss, I don't love the dial texture/style.
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Old 26 March 2023, 06:04 PM   #129
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The black one is not bad at all. I didn't need the crown guards though. They look toolish and very chunky, like 13+mm thick similar to the 1832. Curious as to the actual dimensions.

Not sure about 12k but I am not up to speed on IWC pricing these days. At the same time, and having seen the new one, I'd still rather pay up for an 1832 if only it fit me a little better.
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Old 26 March 2023, 06:06 PM   #130
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Great! I cannot wait to see them in the displays, the green looks dope!
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Old 26 March 2023, 06:35 PM   #131
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Really , really nice. The grey one is titanium with a fully brushed bracelet?
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Old 26 March 2023, 07:29 PM   #132
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I am very conflicted about this design. I like the chamfers, the hands and markers, the bezel, the bracelet. But I don’t like the crown guards, the screws and the dial. Maybe some live videos will change my opinion, but it’s definitely not love at first sight.

Also the black dial has brushed center links, the green has polished center links and the white seems fully blasted titanium.
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Old 26 March 2023, 07:38 PM   #133
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The design does not look bad... But it does look very average...

Seems very similar to the watch they discontinued a few years ago except that they've added some bolt-on looking crown guards; I don't see any other unique design language compared to other integrated watches on the market?

I will remain open minded, but at first glance I feel like they mailed it in while hoping that the recent success of the integrated bracelet market in general would do the heavy lifting. I'm disappointed. But it does make me appreciate so much more the other integrated watch entries like the 222, Laurent Ferrier Sport, Czapek, and even some of the older designs like the GP who bring a unique and interesting perspective.
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Old 26 March 2023, 08:52 PM   #134
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I like it. Will wait to see in the metal on Weds before I decide, but a nice addition to their line-up and a good price point when compared to the competition and considering it’s heritage.
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Old 26 March 2023, 09:44 PM   #135
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The Ingenieur was always the ugly duckling of the Genta integrated triumvirate. Plus ça change.
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Old 26 March 2023, 09:52 PM   #136
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Where is the IWC Genta Ingenieur?

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The Ingenieur was always the ugly duckling of the Genta integrated triumvirate. Plus ça change.

I don't know. The nautilus in a vacuum is a pretty ugly watch. People here know what it is but I can remember it sitting in Patek area cases unloved.

Flawless execution and construction of course. But the lines look like a TV wearing headphones.
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Old 26 March 2023, 10:13 PM   #137
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Very classic Ingenieur. Too classic, probably.
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Old 26 March 2023, 10:30 PM   #138
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All, I was kindly asked to removed the post but I don’t know how to do it, there isn’t an edit button… how can I do it?

Forum moderator’s, can you please delete my post with the Ingenieur pics?

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Old 27 March 2023, 01:55 AM   #139
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sorry no precious metal or anything more than stainless steel this year, thus the price is at 12k only.
Seriously? A "blah" 8k watch will fetch 12k? Typical Richemont!
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Old 27 March 2023, 01:56 AM   #140
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All, I was kindly asked to removed the post but I don’t know how to do it, there isn’t an edit button… how can I do it? Forum moderator’s, can you please delete my post with the Ingenieur pics?
Don't worry about it, the reveal is hours away...
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Old 27 March 2023, 01:58 AM   #141
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Exactly. My god. A scoop on a watch graphic art hours before release. The humanity!!
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Old 27 March 2023, 02:13 AM   #142
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All, I was kindly asked to removed the post but I don’t know how to do it, there isn’t an edit button… how can I do it?

Forum moderator’s, can you please delete my post with the Ingenieur pics?

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I have informed the mods. Hopefully they will remove it for you.
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Old 27 March 2023, 03:22 AM   #143
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looks pretty decent, gotta see it in the flesh / build quality
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Old 27 March 2023, 03:58 AM   #144
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I don't know. The nautilus in a vacuum is a pretty ugly watch. People here know what it is but I can remember it sitting in Patek area cases unloved.

Flawless execution and construction of course. But the lines look like a TV wearing headphones.
I like both the Nautilus and Royal Oak, for different reasons and my preferences have shifted over time. The Ingenieur though… it has always been just a watch with nothing of any visual interest at all. All the aesthetics are just phoned in, and with the new one they managed to make the rivet holes not just boring, but ugly.
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Old 27 March 2023, 04:06 AM   #145
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Seriously? A "blah" 8k watch will fetch 12k? Typical Richemont!
Well this being an IWC, it will be 8k street price soon enough.
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Old 27 March 2023, 04:56 AM   #146
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Well this being an IWC, it will be 8k street price soon enough.

Would still be overpriced at that. Haha.


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Old 27 March 2023, 05:00 AM   #147
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The Ingenieur was always the ugly duckling of the Genta integrated triumvirate. Plus ça change.

That’s what made it sort of cool. Sadly, it’s not even an ugly duckling anymore. It’s just… so average. Not sure why I expected any different from IWC? They seem pretty content with playing follow the (many) leaders.


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Old 27 March 2023, 06:01 AM   #148
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I expected a little more to be honest. I was hoping a rival to my GP Laureato.
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Old 27 March 2023, 06:31 AM   #149
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Would still be overpriced at that. Haha.


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The pricing (again, assuming if correct) is quite ambitious for what I expect will be mechanically an identical watch to the Mark XX (5-day PR movement, 100M WR, soft iron cage, Easy-X strap change system, etc). Basically double.

OTOH, it's basically one of the Genta trinity with the Nautilus and RO, and this kind of history seems to matter a lot more to people now in the age of social media driven hype than it did during the Genta-inspired Ingenieur's last run. So I guess IWC will lean hard on that history.

I wouldn't be surprised if they limit production and reserve allocations mostly to their boutiques to control supply and pricing. IWC could be seeing this as an opportunity to move the entire brand more upscale in pricing, although I think they missed the boat by about 2-3 years.
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Old 27 March 2023, 07:41 AM   #150
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The design does not look bad... But it does look very average...

Seems very similar to the watch they discontinued a few years ago except that they've added some bolt-on looking crown guards; I don't see any other unique design language compared to other integrated watches on the market?

I will remain open minded, but at first glance I feel like they mailed it in while hoping that the recent success of the integrated bracelet market in general would do the heavy lifting. I'm disappointed. But it does make me appreciate so much more the other integrated watch entries like the 222, Laurent Ferrier Sport, Czapek, and even some of the older designs like the GP who bring a unique and interesting perspective.
I was halfway through writing my own post - but you already said everything there is to say, from my humble perspective.
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