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26 May 2020, 10:31 PM | #31 |
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I wouldn’t go that far. Though it’s in the back of your mind that these athletes are “enhanced,” they are still athletes. If you think the average Joe is going to take EPO and can go ride the Tour or hit 70 home runs, it’s not gonna happen.
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I by chance stumbled onto it here in Australia and managed to watch 2/3 of it. There was a comment made that I have always contended, if EPO or other performance enhancing drugs give up to 10% gain in endurance and power sports, then if we assume all these sports have a natural bell curve of performance, then the chances that anyone clean competing in the top 1,000's of sports could actually win.
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No way. I know others have and currently are doping but that does not make it better. His behavior towards the sport and others was disgraceful. My opinion applies to every cheat that got caught.
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What's great about this is how it affects everyone down to even the domestic levels. The value of the liquids LA shot into his veins during a weekend of The Tour is likely more than our entire year's budget, and a large part of that is due to the reputation earned by LA + Postal, Tyler, Floyd, et al, and every master's racer that decided he had low T, but didn't bother filling out a TUE prior to peeing in a cup. NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA...there's too much money at risk for doping violations to cripple the sport.
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No. I don't care about the cheating as pretty much everyone around him was as well. What I care about is how he destroyed anyone who dared to tell the truth. He is a despicable human being (IMO) for that reason alone.
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It's sort of a wink and a nod that everyone is going to be using something but don't be so blatant that they have to suspend you. |
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Wouldn’t bet my life on that. My line of thinking is this. If he beat beat guys we know were doping, we can deduce one of two things: Either he was doping also OR doping doesn’t enhance performance as much as we think it does (i.e. not enough to propel a doped athlete past him). BTW, I really appreciate Lemond’s contributions to the sport outside of just pedaling. He really understood bicycles themselves and designed some of the best geometries we’ve ever seen.
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I enjoyed the first episode. I worked in the bike industry around the time a lot of this was happening and ran a World Cup level mtn bike team. Seeing somebody race clean and continually lose to people you suspect are dirty is gut wrenching. I thoroughly hate that Lance was cheating, but at the same time, I'm more upset it has come down to having to decide if you want to cheat or throw away your career. It is a beautiful sport that shouldn't have a constant black cloud over it. Lance did more for the sport than any other person, both good and probably bad. I really lost a lot of respect for all the other cheaters that are fine with it until the moment they get busted and then start pointing fingers. Lance didn't ruin their lives, they chose their own paths.
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one of the best sport documentaries. LeMond is a class act. LA is a POS not just because he doped again and again and again, but what he did to others around. Haven’t met and wouldn’t want to meet him.
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It's still cheating isn't it? Why are they so special if they have to cheat? If this is a game then I want to see it where it says it's legal according to the rules. Sorry, I guess I'm old fashioned for believing that sportsmanship and following the rules have anything to do with sports. Gee, I can't wait to watch the team that cheats the best. Not for me. How about the idea of making certain drugs legal for competition? Lets just acknowledge that drugs are used so that all of the cheaters can now be legal and certain drugs can be used. Don't you think if they were legal and according to the rules someone would discover the latest illegal drug that does it one better? What a joke. As far as I am concerned it's pretty simple. It's cheating and as far as I am concerned I have no interest in being part of the crowd that sanctions that and enables that type of behavior. Whether you have to reach some level or have some degree of talent at some level to actualy enjoy the benefits of the cheat or not it's still cheating unless it's in the rules. Yet another simple minded old fashioned concept. Gee son, if you grow up to be smart enough to cheat the system then you too can be richer than everyone, better than everyone, and admired by everyone because your smart and cleaver enough to cheat better than anyone else. I don't ever remember my Dad telling me that and I never ever would tell my son that either. I know that's just to simple minded and old fashioned for some, but so be it. If integrity is old fashioned, then I guess I'll just strive be old fashioned. I'm not perfect but Lance Armstrong aint my son so I have that at least going for me. I guess that makes me poorer but I can still look myself in the mirror.
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Only heard..Not really glanced at it yet
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I’d like to get past the cheating based on what he did for cancer research and what he legitimately went through himself. Then he opens his mouth. He was interviewed on CNBC a year, maybe two years ago. They asked him about the cheating, ruining others lives, the whole thing, and he was just a self righteous prick about it all.
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the level Lance was at NO ONE is racing all natural that includeds nfl to pga all pro sports
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The reference typically is that this started for Bonds at the time McGwire and Sosa became famous. Whether it's the case he couldn't stand some one out shinning him or not the man has no integrity. Doesn't sound like he has any remorse and frankly I don't care at this point. I'm over sport, it's no longer sports when the competitors can do nothing more than cheat the system regardless of their motivation. I have a problem rooting for cheaters and frankly the cheaters are way to prevalent for me to give a D**n. I think the comment that these guys should be allowed into the Hall of Fame because everyone one was doing it at the time is also ridiculous. They cheated, some of them got caught and some of them like Bonds just grew a BIGGER HEAD. Let them keep their money, but there should be consequences so let history judge them for what they really are. They didn't play by the rules so let's not bend and contort the rules to such a point there is no incentive for people to do the right thing. Stop rewarding people for doing the wrong thing.
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I watched some parts of part one and it didn't interest me much so I stopped.
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