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30 January 2023, 08:38 PM | #91 | |
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Did you just swap the dial or the entire dial/movement combo? Jose
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Maybe I need more coffee, but I am having a hard time following this thread and coming up with any conclusions. I found Springer's information was the most useful and but I am still lost with the big picture.
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in short, their job is collecting parts left and right, build a watch with all legit parts (when possible), repaint this and that to have a matching color, claim it is rare and original (which is true somehow) and sale it for unreasonable price... In comparison, a Porsche with a swapped engine worths half of the fully original same car ... |
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At the end of the day it’s a business. Not all business is honest business unfortunately. It is why it is very important for people to do there homework when purchasing if your unsure and or uncomfortable. It’s ok to ask. I have numerous times. I have been dupped in the past. It a lesson. When it comes to these Presidents, GMT and or a lot of older watches it seems to be more common than not. Maybe not married but have period correct parts.
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1 February 2023, 11:19 AM | #96 |
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Rolex doesn't engrave the movement number on the cases so it's impossible to tell otherwise.
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Rolex would know. But they won’t tell us.
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may be Rolex has similar archives like @Dan S mentionned, but they don't share obviously... PS: somehow Omega , requires both case number and movement number to supply an extract which I believe is worse than AP /Patek way which provides your watch Infos/details based on the case serial.... |
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Still no answer from the dealer to Perez' question...
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2 February 2023, 01:14 AM | #100 | |
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Longines, which provides historical information at no cost, also asks for the numbers on both movement (serial) and case (reference and/or production run), and photos. If they are mismatched in their records, Longines will tell you that the movement is not original to the watch. So I don't know if it's "worse" for them to ask for more information, it allows them to provide better information in return about the originality of the watch.
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I can't imagine that someone like Andrew Shear would cobble together a watch just to try to create a more appealing example. And there are some other guys (frequent posters on this forum) who sell quite a lot of vintage or neo-classic Rolexes that I'd fully trust not to pull the crap that Oliver and Clarke did. |
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This is a super long thread! There is a 1675 offered by O&C with fuschia bezel. The description goes into great detail on the history of 1675 bezel inserts produced. Only problem is the production year of this particular 1675 is likely after the time period when fuschia bezels were produced.
I have no problem with a description that says an original fuschia bezel insert is in the watch, but is likely not original to the watch. But the description clearly claims it is original to the watch. Could be an outlier, and it is an original piece, but all of the red flags described, and the price point compared to other truly original fuschia 1675s on the market makes ya think . Anyone feel free to correct me. I am not an expert on 1675s. Just did a little research. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Really great insights here between dealers that are honest and disclose everything they know versus a great many dealers like O&C that are just selling the dream from reused thoughts.
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