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le_boudin · 3 February 2023, 06:04 AM

So ive decided to go grey instead of "building relationships". Now I am conflicted between two watches - Sub 126610LV and "Coke" 16710.

Coke is obviously used, but is in excellent condition and as the seller claims never been polished. Sub (2020) is also lightly used, but looks gorgeous. Price for both pieces is almost the same.

Your feedback will be much appreciated. Thank you.

Travis29 · 3 February 2023, 06:07 AM

I’d personally wait for the AD- been on the LV list since last year. Paying $6k over retail is another watch.

Moda Facebook group has beat prices I’ve seen.

tifosi · 3 February 2023, 06:23 AM

That's really tough. Are you a Sub guy or a GMT guy?

If the 16710 is the same price as what I've seen LVs going for recently, like $16k...that sounds super high.

amphr1 · 3 February 2023, 06:24 AM

I think it's a question of if you want a modern or a vintage. Personally if it's one of my first or even my first 3 luxury watch, I'd go with a modern model.

Trailboss516 · 3 February 2023, 06:25 AM

Have you tried both of them on? They wear quite different.

PenDelicate · 3 February 2023, 06:26 AM

Sub.

AdamW · 3 February 2023, 06:26 AM

I've owned them both. Not even close. The new 41mm Subs are so far above and beyond the 16710s. Everything is better, but especially the bracelet. So much more refined. And the ceramic bezel is a winner. I understand the love of the coke, and I swore I would never sell mine, but the rattle and flimsy clasp are not being missed!

Laostuh · 3 February 2023, 06:41 AM

The Sub will feel much more significant on the wrist than the 16710. Heavier, more modern, ceramic bezel compared to aluminum that will fade over time. I think you know where I'm going with this.. I got rid of my 5 digit Day Date to get into a 116710LN and have never looked back.

shammad10 · 3 February 2023, 06:47 AM

I have both a 16710 and a 41mm sub.

My 16710 is awesome, wears amazing, I feel like it has real history when I put it on with the tritium patina and the bracelet and the rattle. I love that when it was born it was a tool and that hasn't changed. People didn't have phones in their pockets to tell them multiple time zones.

My 124060 is an engineering masterpiece. The bracelet is indestructible, the ceramic bezel is very cool, doesn't age and will last forever. I do however feel that it is a bit 'soul-less' if you get what I mean? Like a cold and clinical assassin.

amh · 3 February 2023, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamW

I've owned them both. Not even close. The new 41mm Subs are so far above and beyond the 16710s. Everything is better, but especially the bracelet. So much more refined. And the ceramic bezel is a winner. I understand the love of the coke, and I swore I would never sell mine, but the rattle and flimsy clasp are not being missed!

^^^ Yes, all the above.

The 5-digit feels very dainty in comparison. Make sure to try it on somewhere just to be sure, don't buy simply based on internet pics.

I vote the Sub in this case.

And... stay on those AD faux lists. You never know - then you can either flip for easy profit or sell one of these grey purchases.

Dealing with ADs:
- Get on lists with as many as possible
- When speaking with an AD, never mention the other ADs
- Never show the purchases (AD or grey) to your current AD
- If you're "allocated" a watch, act completely surprised!

Kind of like having a mistress

amphr1 · 3 February 2023, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by amh

Kind of like having a mistress

tifosi · 3 February 2023, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shammad10

I have both a 16710 and a 41mm sub.

My 16710 is awesome, wears amazing, I feel like it has real history when I put it on with the tritium patina and the bracelet and the rattle. I love that when it was born it was a tool and that hasn't changed. People didn't have phones in their pockets to tell them multiple time zones.

My 124060 is an engineering masterpiece. The bracelet is indestructible, the ceramic bezel is very cool, doesn't age and will last forever. I do however feel that it is a bit 'soul-less' if you get what I mean? Like a cold and clinical assassin.

I definitely agree with this. When I had my 2 modern Subs and my 16570 ExplorerII, I loved having both worlds. The tritium dial and rattly oyster just had a charm about it. I felt that way because I had both new and old. If I had to choose only one experience, I'd go new.

brandrea · 3 February 2023, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by amphora001

I think it's a question of if you want a modern or a vintage. Personally if it's one of my first or even my first 3 luxury watch, I'd go with a modern model.

Exactly this.

Besides being two different complications, they wear totally different.

TheWatchmen · 3 February 2023, 06:59 AM

Having owned a few neo-vintage pieces in the past I’d go with the modern watch if it were me.

Sauzo · 3 February 2023, 06:59 AM

I would go for the sub. I absolutely love my 124060. Never would sell that watch.

Little machines · 3 February 2023, 08:49 AM

I would go with Sub first and if you don't care for it sell it and pick up the 16710.

Santiago32 · 3 February 2023, 08:50 AM

LV

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EEpro · 3 February 2023, 08:53 AM

I like my LV a lot more than I expected. It's a great GADA watch.

train-time · 3 February 2023, 08:59 AM

The Sub LV all the way. It's a night and day comparison between a 16710 and 126610. The 16710 will feel like a BB58 in comparison to the new Sub. You may even forget you are wearing the 16710.

Harry-57 · 3 February 2023, 09:42 AM

If you absolutely love both and can't decide, you'll probably end up owning both, in which case I'd be scoring the best example of the GMT I could get my hands on in the short term and speaking to an AD about the LV.

MJZRolex · 3 February 2023, 09:47 AM

The LV would definitely be the way to go. It is a great looking watch and relatively new. The only thing you might regret is the grey premium versus waiting for an AD, but you'll have instant gratification versus waiting a long time from an AD.

kadin · 3 February 2023, 04:42 PM

The 16710 feels way less substantial but is an awesome looking watch. I was surprised at the difference the latest generation GMTs and the 5 digit models in things like bracelet.

GMTmatt · 3 February 2023, 09:16 PM

I have both a 16710 and 126610lv. I would go with a 126710 in either color selection.

rmlovett1 · 3 February 2023, 09:37 PM

If you’re destined to have both….If the 16710 is outstanding condition, includes b & p, I’d get that first, as the good/complete ones are hard to find. If you’re on a list for the LV, stay on it until it arrives, or you can go grey on that one as well when the time comes.
If it’s a one and only…I’d go LV.

Benzsiam · 3 February 2023, 10:23 PM

Get Sub LV now and get new Coke next year.

Kiddodoc · 3 February 2023, 11:35 PM

Own the 16710 with 3 bezels and have owned the 12 LV but sold it to my SA. If I would get one, it would be the LV. The new updates on subs and GMTs are much better than the older versions in my opinion. I have saving the GMT for my son.

ltmgeller · 3 February 2023, 11:45 PM

16710 would be my vote.

mountainjogger · 3 February 2023, 11:48 PM

Don't blame you for going grey.

As others have said. Try them on first. Wear completely different.

StackLexus17 · 4 February 2023, 12:54 AM

The LV

danwang0520 · 4 February 2023, 01:18 AM

What's in your current collection? However, I'd pick 126610LV personally.....

Current collection: 1) Rolex Submariner(116610LV), 2) Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Professional(311.30.42.30.01.006), 3) Rolex GMT-Master II(126710BLNR), 4) Breitling B01 Navitimer 43(AB0138211B1A1)

3 February 2023, 06:04 AM	#1
le_boudin Banned Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: USA Posts: 26	Going grey and need to decide which? So ive decided to go grey instead of "building relationships". Now I am conflicted between two watches - Sub 126610LV and "Coke" 16710. Coke is obviously used, but is in excellent condition and as the seller claims never been polished. Sub (2020) is also lightly used, but looks gorgeous. Price for both pieces is almost the same. Your feedback will be much appreciated. Thank you.

3 February 2023, 06:23 AM	#3
tifosi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Russ Location: Southern NJ Posts: 5,760	That's really tough. Are you a Sub guy or a GMT guy? If the 16710 is the same price as what I've seen LVs going for recently, like $16k...that sounds super high. __________________ Russ

3 February 2023, 06:26 AM	#7
AdamW "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Adam Location: In my head Watch: this space Posts: 785	I've owned them both. Not even close. The new 41mm Subs are so far above and beyond the 16710s. Everything is better, but especially the bracelet. So much more refined. And the ceramic bezel is a winner. I understand the love of the coke, and I swore I would never sell mine, but the rattle and flimsy clasp are not being missed! __________________ Adam " I don't have a microwave oven but I do have a clock that occasionally cooks $h!t" - Mitch Hedburgh

3 February 2023, 08:50 AM	#17
Santiago32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: Jim Location: UTC/GMT -7 hours Watch: BLRO-LV-EXP1-BB58 Posts: 1,667	LV Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ instagram: santiagowatchcollector

3 February 2023, 08:53 AM	#18
EEpro 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Real Name: Brad Location: Purdue Watch: Daytona Posts: 9,084	I like my LV a lot more than I expected. It's a great GADA watch. __________________ ♛ ✠ Ω 2FA Active

3 February 2023, 06:07 AM	#2
Travis29 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 126610LV / BLNR Posts: 622	I’d personally wait for the AD- been on the LV list since last year. Paying $6k over retail is another watch. Moda Facebook group has beat prices I’ve seen.

3 February 2023, 06:24 AM	#4
amphr1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: El Cerrito, CA Posts: 2,095	I think it's a question of if you want a modern or a vintage. Personally if it's one of my first or even my first 3 luxury watch, I'd go with a modern model.

3 February 2023, 06:25 AM	#5
Trailboss516 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: In denial Watch: It's complicated Posts: 1,610	Have you tried both of them on? They wear quite different.

3 February 2023, 06:26 AM	#6
PenDelicate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Stockholm Watch: P-serial 116518 Posts: 1,120	Sub.

3 February 2023, 06:41 AM	#8
Laostuh "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 947	The Sub will feel much more significant on the wrist than the 16710. Heavier, more modern, ceramic bezel compared to aluminum that will fade over time. I think you know where I'm going with this.. I got rid of my 5 digit Day Date to get into a 116710LN and have never looked back.

3 February 2023, 06:47 AM	#9
shammad10 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 808	I have both a 16710 and a 41mm sub. My 16710 is awesome, wears amazing, I feel like it has real history when I put it on with the tritium patina and the bracelet and the rattle. I love that when it was born it was a tool and that hasn't changed. People didn't have phones in their pockets to tell them multiple time zones. My 124060 is an engineering masterpiece. The bracelet is indestructible, the ceramic bezel is very cool, doesn't age and will last forever. I do however feel that it is a bit 'soul-less' if you get what I mean? Like a cold and clinical assassin.

3 February 2023, 06:59 AM	#14
TheWatchmen "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,360	Having owned a few neo-vintage pieces in the past I’d go with the modern watch if it were me.

3 February 2023, 06:59 AM	#15
Sauzo "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Seattle Watch: Snoopy Posts: 281	I would go for the sub. I absolutely love my 124060. Never would sell that watch.

3 February 2023, 08:49 AM	#16
Little machines "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Real Name: Joseph Location: USA Posts: 2,464	I would go with Sub first and if you don't care for it sell it and pick up the 16710.

3 February 2023, 08:59 AM	#19
train-time "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Maryland, USA Watch: All gone! Posts: 4,000	The Sub LV all the way. It's a night and day comparison between a 16710 and 126610. The 16710 will feel like a BB58 in comparison to the new Sub. You may even forget you are wearing the 16710.

3 February 2023, 09:42 AM	#20
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 9,672	If you absolutely love both and can't decide, you'll probably end up owning both, in which case I'd be scoring the best example of the GMT I could get my hands on in the short term and speaking to an AD about the LV.

3 February 2023, 09:47 AM	#21
MJZRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Ohio Watch: Submariner 14060M Posts: 679	The LV would definitely be the way to go. It is a great looking watch and relatively new. The only thing you might regret is the grey premium versus waiting for an AD, but you'll have instant gratification versus waiting a long time from an AD.

3 February 2023, 04:42 PM	#22
kadin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Hungary Posts: 14	The 16710 feels way less substantial but is an awesome looking watch. I was surprised at the difference the latest generation GMTs and the 5 digit models in things like bracelet.

3 February 2023, 09:16 PM	#23
GMTmatt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Matt Location: USA Watch: 16710 Pepsi Posts: 157	I have both a 16710 and 126610lv. I would go with a 126710 in either color selection. __________________ Cash is king, cash flow is queen

3 February 2023, 09:37 PM	#24
rmlovett1 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: GA Watch: YTBD Posts: 22,487	If you’re destined to have both….If the 16710 is outstanding condition, includes b & p, I’d get that first, as the good/complete ones are hard to find. If you’re on a list for the LV, stay on it until it arrives, or you can go grey on that one as well when the time comes. If it’s a one and only…I’d go LV.

3 February 2023, 10:23 PM	#25
Benzsiam 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Watch: Rolex/AP/PP/ALS Posts: 5,921	Get Sub LV now and get new Coke next year. __________________ Rolex: 116621, 126333, 126711CHNR, 114060, 116500LN White, 126660 JC, 126710BLNR, 126710BLRO, 116610LV, 126610LN, 126610LV, 116508 YG Green Dial, 124300 Turquoise, 126719BLRO Meteorite dial, 228235 Olive dial ,126755SARU, 116505 RG Black dial, 326934 Blue Sky D. Audemars Piguet: 15451ST Blue, 15500OR w/Bracelet, 14790SA, 14790BA, 26022BC(Salmon) Patek Philippe: 5524R, 5712G, ALS: Time Zone 136.032, Cartier: WGSA0030, WSSA0061, YG Oct. 2965, Breguet: 7137BA, MontBlanc: 109996", Seiko: SRPA21,

3 February 2023, 11:35 PM	#26
Kiddodoc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: Texas Watch: 15 and counting! Posts: 3,476	Own the 16710 with 3 bezels and have owned the 12 LV but sold it to my SA. If I would get one, it would be the LV. The new updates on subs and GMTs are much better than the older versions in my opinion. I have saving the GMT for my son.

3 February 2023, 11:45 PM	#27
ltmgeller 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 21,370	16710 would be my vote. __________________ Oh, look at the time... Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2019

3 February 2023, 11:48 PM	#28
mountainjogger 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: H Location: North Carolina Watch: M99230B-0008 Posts: 5,672	Don't blame you for going grey. As others have said. Try them on first. Wear completely different. __________________ The King of Cool.

4 February 2023, 12:54 AM	#29
StackLexus17 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Texas Watch: 116500LN Posts: 529	The LV

4 February 2023, 01:18 AM	#30
danwang0520 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Daniel Location: Taipei, Taiwan Watch: my signature Posts: 2,669	What's in your current collection? However, I'd pick 126610LV personally..... Current collection: 1) Rolex Submariner(116610LV), 2) Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Professional(311.30.42.30.01.006), 3) Rolex GMT-Master II(126710BLNR), 4) Breitling B01 Navitimer 43(AB0138211B1A1)

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