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Minimalist · 16 April 2022, 01:16 AM

Hey Guys,

Thinking to get myself an everyday watch and been lusting over a Marina model for a while now. Seen this 118 and just wanted some input. The lugs look like they've been refinished quite a lot since the screw holes look very close to the edge...? It is a 20 year old watch so is this something you'd accept or is this too much?

Let me know what you think. Also I have in mind a 111.

Regards,
M.

inadeje · 16 April 2022, 02:59 AM

Tough to judge with two similar off center photos…

itsjknight · 16 April 2022, 03:01 AM

Looks fake to me

Spartan2009 · 16 April 2022, 03:52 AM

Looks fake to me as well. Its missing the T.M. and R.E.G. on the crown guard.

Minimalist · 16 April 2022, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by inadeje

Tough to judge with two similar off center photos…

Two more pics of the lugs.

Minimalist · 16 April 2022, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan2009

Looks fake to me as well. Its missing the T.M. and R.E.G. on the crown guard.

It is my understanding that this shape of luminors do not have the REG TM on the crown guard, it is on the 1950 case, correct me if I'm wrong.

Spartan2009 · 16 April 2022, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

It is my understanding that this shape of luminors do not have the REG TM on the crown guard, it is on the 1950 case, correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct. I just double checked.

Cru Jones · 16 April 2022, 06:39 AM

The lug holes loom perilously close to the edge….

itsjknight · 16 April 2022, 11:45 PM

Yeah the lugs are just off... not something made by Panerai.

Minimalist · 16 April 2022, 11:56 PM

Thanks for the input guys. I'll be avoiding this one then.

Regards,
M.

iceshark · 17 April 2022, 04:48 AM

Looks fake

997targa · 19 April 2022, 04:28 AM

Pretty sure I saw this watch on a well-known Panerai sight. If the same one, it looked legit on the watch and paperwork, but seemed to have been meaningfully over polished on the lugs. This is something I keep an eye out for after seeing a couple in similar condition as well as a radiomir or two which looked very clean but on closer examination you could tell the shape was altered meaningfully. Another spot to watch for is the case backs. These get over polished and the lettering will be different distances from the edge but the surface will be extra clean which is what normally gets noticed first.

TswaneNguni · 19 April 2022, 04:33 AM

111

utc66 · 19 April 2022, 12:36 PM

My 112 lugs look a bit like that after 13 years. I don’t have a picture as it is getting it’s first service right now. Once back I’ll take some pics and share. These are big watches and if worn and used as they should be they will get knocked and worn over time. I’m okay with wear on my watch because I did it. If I was buying used I would look for a sharper example.

Minimalist · 19 April 2022, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 997targa

Pretty sure I saw this watch on a well-known Panerai sight. If the same one, it looked legit on the watch and paperwork, but seemed to have been meaningfully over polished on the lugs. This is something I keep an eye out for after seeing a couple in similar condition as well as a radiomir or two which looked very clean but on closer examination you could tell the shape was altered meaningfully. Another spot to watch for is the case backs. These get over polished and the lettering will be different distances from the edge but the surface will be extra clean which is what normally gets noticed first.

That's interesting! Thanks for the info.

Minimalist · 19 April 2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by utc66

My 112 lugs look a bit like that after 13 years. I don’t have a picture as it is getting it’s first service right now. Once back I’ll take some pics and share. These are big watches and if worn and used as they should be they will get knocked and worn over time. I’m okay with wear on my watch because I did it. If I was buying used I would look for a sharper example.

I agree, if you yourself have had the watch over a decade and then it gets polished etc then that's your own, but not much buying one like that already

azcii · 19 April 2022, 06:39 PM

The lugs on that one has definitely been polished at some point by the looks of it, but the lug holes/screws being close to the edge of the lug is a common thing with older bettarini cases.

Google some side pictures of 118, 061, 111, 001 etc and you'll see similar shapes.

Here's another:

bradyb · 24 April 2022, 04:41 AM

My 118 lug profile and holes look about the same.

Fleetlord · 25 April 2022, 04:46 AM

I have a PAM 61D and the lugs look like that. It's how they were

Minimalist · 26 April 2022, 05:08 AM

Thanks for the pictures. They do look pretty much the same, I'm assuming it's been refinished at some point.

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19 April 2022, 12:36 PM	#14
utc66 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DC Watch: 16600, PAM112,EZM1 Posts: 463	My 112 lugs look a bit like that after 13 years. I don’t have a picture as it is getting it’s first service right now. Once back I’ll take some pics and share. These are big watches and if worn and used as they should be they will get knocked and worn over time. I’m okay with wear on my watch because I did it. If I was buying used I would look for a sharper example. Last edited by utc66; 19 April 2022 at 12:37 PM.. Reason: Grammar

16 April 2022, 03:01 AM	#3
itsjknight "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 353	Looks fake to me

16 April 2022, 03:52 AM	#4
Spartan2009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Sparta Posts: 321	Looks fake to me as well. Its missing the T.M. and R.E.G. on the crown guard.

16 April 2022, 06:39 AM	#8
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,475	The lug holes loom perilously close to the edge….

16 April 2022, 11:45 PM	#9
itsjknight "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 353	Yeah the lugs are just off... not something made by Panerai.

16 April 2022, 11:56 PM	#10
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,214	Thanks for the input guys. I'll be avoiding this one then. Regards, M.

17 April 2022, 04:48 AM	#11
iceshark Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 88	Looks fake

19 April 2022, 04:28 AM	#12
997targa "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 20	Pretty sure I saw this watch on a well-known Panerai sight. If the same one, it looked legit on the watch and paperwork, but seemed to have been meaningfully over polished on the lugs. This is something I keep an eye out for after seeing a couple in similar condition as well as a radiomir or two which looked very clean but on closer examination you could tell the shape was altered meaningfully. Another spot to watch for is the case backs. These get over polished and the lettering will be different distances from the edge but the surface will be extra clean which is what normally gets noticed first.

19 April 2022, 04:33 AM	#13
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,608	111

19 April 2022, 06:39 PM	#17
azcii "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 73	The lugs on that one has definitely been polished at some point by the looks of it, but the lug holes/screws being close to the edge of the lug is a common thing with older bettarini cases. Google some side pictures of 118, 061, 111, 001 etc and you'll see similar shapes. Here's another:

25 April 2022, 04:46 AM	#19
Fleetlord "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 5,910	I have a PAM 61D and the lugs look like that. It's how they were

26 April 2022, 05:08 AM	#20
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,214	Thanks for the pictures. They do look pretty much the same, I'm assuming it's been refinished at some point.

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