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healer · 16 October 2019, 09:58 AM

As from my last post I myself just put in a deposit for a ss sub. I was told 8-12 weeks will see. 25 percent now and pay in full the day of pick up. Another ad called me for a explorer 2. Will put a down payment this coming Thursday..... moral of the story is call and be as polite as possible. Ask to be put on a list they will call you! I myself can’t believe I got a call from 2 different ad.its happening;)

Token74 · 16 October 2019, 10:05 AM

Maybe I’m too generous, but I tend to accept the way AD’s do business. Because despite the enjoyable and friendly watch chat, it is their business and it is all about the bottom line. It may be that Patek have just let them down, or it may be that they’ve sold your allocation to someone who has bought £500k of jewellery, who knows. But, whatever they’ve done, they’ve done for a business reason and I don’t blame them.

I was loyal to my local Rolex AD when I could have gone to greys at a cheaper price, and that loyalty has been rewarded. Equally, i had to work really hard to get a Nautilus 5990 as I had no relationship with a PP dealer.

I’d my Rolex dealer de prioritised me I’d be upset given my loyalty during the tough years and the fact that ALL my wife’s jewellery is bought from them. But if the Patek dealer has bumped me, I’d have understood and accepted it, despite my deposit.

This is the world of high end luxury goods.

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benlee · 16 October 2019, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Token74

Maybe I’m too generous, but I tend to accept the way AD’s do business. Because despite the enjoyable and friendly watch chat, it is their business and it is all about the bottom line. It may be that Patek have just let them down, or it may be that they’ve sold your allocation to someone who has bought £500k of jewellery, who knows. But, whatever they’ve done, they’ve done for a business reason and I don’t blame them.

I was loyal to my local Rolex AD when I could have gone to greys at a cheaper price, and that loyalty has been rewarded. Equally, i had to work really hard to get a Nautilus 5990 as I had no relationship with a PP dealer.

I’d my Rolex dealer de prioritised me I’d be upset given my loyalty during the tough years and the fact that ALL my wife’s jewellery is bought from them. But if the Patek dealer has bumped me, I’d have understood and accepted it, despite my deposit.

This is the world of high end luxury goods.

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I think all of us have no qualms to play by the rulebook as long as it applies fairly to everyone ( or just walk away if we can't accept their terms and conditions, like insisting on a deposit, which I often do ).

But problem is the lack of transparency, and worse, random-ness. I just got a case myself. Not to go into too much details as it's a long story, but someone got an allocation for a much more harder-to-get watch than what I was waiting for. And I know for a fact I buy a lot more than him from this AD, because we happen to share the same whatapp watch chatgroup. Favouritism? I don't know. When they got found out and confronted, their Group CEO outright tried to lie to me to excuse what happened. So I have written them off for good. That's after 5 years of buying relationship. And this is coming from one of the most established luxury watch retailer in Asia. If a CEO can do that, what more others?

That said, I have to emphasize it's just one case, or maybe it's just bad luck. There are of course also honorable ADs out there though I find it harder to find an honest and fair one nowadays.

10XRolex · 16 October 2019, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

If u in NYC u can give me a hug :)

I'll come to the city tomorrow to give you a giant hug if you can make a 5164 from WoS happen. My hugs to them haven't been good enough to make it happen.

RX0 · 16 October 2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

If u in NYC u can give me a hug :)

Can I give u a hug and you get me a patek 5740? Lol

Fat_ninja · 16 October 2019, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 10XRolex

I'll come to the city tomorrow to give you a giant hug if you can make a 5164 from WoS happen. My hugs to them haven't been good enough to make it happen.

Lol... how much were the hugs? $ or $$$

P.s. I’m working from home not in the city sorry

Fat_ninja · 16 October 2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RX0

Can I give u a hug and you get me a patek 5740? Lol

So silly, I’ve bought less stuff than u from them... I should give u a hug and u give me a 5167

RX0 · 16 October 2019, 11:38 AM

Again, I'm going to talk about how much I don't like AD and how much I like my car dealer. When I put my deposit down for my GT2RS, i got my allocation and the car was built according to my spec. I just ordered the GT4 and it is more than the 5740 but I only leave 10000 and I just received my allocation and build sheet.
In the realm of watch, there are no such thing as a manufacture tracking system. Even BMW has the tracking access since 2002.

The watch manufacture should have a system like that.

benlee · 16 October 2019, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RX0

Again, I'm going to talk about how much I don't like AD and how much I like my car dealer. When I put my deposit down for my GT2RS, i got my allocation and the car was built according to my spec. I just ordered the GT4 and it is more than the 5740 but I only leave 10000 and I just received my allocation and build sheet.
In the realm of watch, there are no such thing as a manufacture tracking system. Even BMW has the tracking access since 2002.

The watch manufacture should have a system like that.

Don't think you can compare cars with watches. Different market dynamics. As I mentioned earlier, this lack of transparency is most likely intentional, perhaps to create hype or perceived desirability. If we can order watches like we order stuff from amazon.com, knowing exactly when it can arrive, then where's the excitement.

Josh1000 · 16 October 2019, 02:03 PM

Nothing to do with transparency or integrity. My AD gets 1 x 5711R per annum. The waitlist is 8 so roughly 8 years. If I spent a huge amount with them, or was well known or liked or they thought I had more buying potential....guess what??? I ain't customer number 9!!!

benlee · 16 October 2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh1000

Nothing to do with transparency or integrity. My AD gets 1 x 5711R per annum. The waitlist is 8 so roughly 8 years. If I spent a huge amount with them, or was well known or liked or they thought I had more buying potential....guess what??? I ain't customer number 9!!!

Do they actually show you the list? Even if they do, how to tell if it's real? There's no way to verify what they said. Hence the lack of transparency. It's just how it works and the way it is now favors the brand and the AD because they can of course arbitrarily said anything they want. Hence the constant complain of BS from ADs.

OP's 5740G most likely is re-allocated to another buyer, or perhaps it is really PP can't deliver on time, but this can never be ascertained for sure.

SL BRABUS · 16 October 2019, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Honestly third. You know this game. Deposit stage is a done deal for the most part.

Agree.....^^^....

Unless the watch game has change.......

RX0 · 16 October 2019, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by benlee

Do they actually show you the list? Even if they do, how to tell if it's real? There's no way to verify what they said. Hence the lack of transparency. It's just how it works and the way it is now favors the brand and the AD because they can of course arbitrarily said anything they want. Hence the constant complain of BS from ADs.

OP's 5740G most likely is re-allocated to another buyer, or perhaps it is really PP can't deliver on time, but this can never be ascertained for sure.

Yep I totally agree that there is no way to tell. I still think it is more of patek not deliver but my wife think they sold it to someone else.

Chiboy · 16 October 2019, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Honestly third. You know this game. Deposit stage is a done deal for the most part.

I beg to differ.

RX0 · 16 October 2019, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiboy

I beg to differ.

Actually, your situation is what make my wife worry.
I guess I'm getting old and losing passion in collecting watches😩

GB-man · 17 October 2019, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiboy

I beg to differ.

Interesting what brand is this issue with?

Chiboy · 17 October 2019, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Interesting what brand is this issue with?

It was a white SS Daytona. Original thread here:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=644939

RX0 · 17 October 2019, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

So silly, I’ve bought less stuff than u from them... I should give u a hug and u give me a 5167

Sorry I just saw ur msg. Hmm... can you share ur secret of getting the 5711 and see if I can get lucky. Thanks

Fat_ninja · 17 October 2019, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RX0

Sorry I just saw ur msg. Hmm... can you share ur secret of getting the 5711 and see if I can get lucky. Thanks

Bring a 9 year old who loves watches...it’s her 5711 ss blue

RussW · 17 October 2019, 09:16 AM

I’d be reluctant to pay that sort of deposit - what if the AD goes under, is your deposit in any sort of protected client account? I’d say it’s unlikely. I’d give them til the end of the year and if not received ask for 40% back. A 10% deposit is more than enough.

RX0 · 17 October 2019, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Bring a 9 year old who loves watches...it’s her 5711 ss blue

Can you bring me to your AD along with your secret weapon to help me getting a 5740? I buy u baked by Melissa cupcakes

Fat_ninja · 17 October 2019, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RX0

Can you bring me to your AD along with your secret weapon to help me getting a 5740? I buy u baked by Melissa cupcakes

So u want to borrow my kid? Lol

TJMike · 17 October 2019, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

So u want to borrow my kid? Lol

Asking to bring someone's kid along so they can get a friggin' watch even as a joke is in pretty poor taste. We may have hit a new low

ap1 · 17 October 2019, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RX0

Can you bring me to your AD along with your secret weapon to help me getting a 5740? I buy u baked by Melissa cupcakes

He’s gonna require some high end noodles at a minimum.

Fat_ninja · 17 October 2019, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ap1

He’s gonna require some high end noodles at a minimum.

Ive yet to have really really high end noodles...

16 October 2019, 10:05 AM	#62
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,707	Maybe I’m too generous, but I tend to accept the way AD’s do business. Because despite the enjoyable and friendly watch chat, it is their business and it is all about the bottom line. It may be that Patek have just let them down, or it may be that they’ve sold your allocation to someone who has bought £500k of jewellery, who knows. But, whatever they’ve done, they’ve done for a business reason and I don’t blame them. I was loyal to my local Rolex AD when I could have gone to greys at a cheaper price, and that loyalty has been rewarded. Equally, i had to work really hard to get a Nautilus 5990 as I had no relationship with a PP dealer. I’d my Rolex dealer de prioritised me I’d be upset given my loyalty during the tough years and the fact that ALL my wife’s jewellery is bought from them. But if the Patek dealer has bumped me, I’d have understood and accepted it, despite my deposit. This is the world of high end luxury goods. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

16 October 2019, 09:58 AM	#61
healer "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: U.S.A Posts: 193	As from my last post I myself just put in a deposit for a ss sub. I was told 8-12 weeks will see. 25 percent now and pay in full the day of pick up. Another ad called me for a explorer 2. Will put a down payment this coming Thursday..... moral of the story is call and be as polite as possible. Ask to be put on a list they will call you! I myself can’t believe I got a call from 2 different ad.its happening;)

16 October 2019, 11:38 AM	#68
RX0 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: NY Posts: 216	Again, I'm going to talk about how much I don't like AD and how much I like my car dealer. When I put my deposit down for my GT2RS, i got my allocation and the car was built according to my spec. I just ordered the GT4 and it is more than the 5740 but I only leave 10000 and I just received my allocation and build sheet. In the realm of watch, there are no such thing as a manufacture tracking system. Even BMW has the tracking access since 2002. The watch manufacture should have a system like that.

16 October 2019, 02:03 PM	#70
Josh1000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 505	Nothing to do with transparency or integrity. My AD gets 1 x 5711R per annum. The waitlist is 8 so roughly 8 years. If I spent a huge amount with them, or was well known or liked or they thought I had more buying potential....guess what??? I ain't customer number 9!!!

17 October 2019, 09:16 AM	#80
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,341	I’d be reluctant to pay that sort of deposit - what if the AD goes under, is your deposit in any sort of protected client account? I’d say it’s unlikely. I’d give them til the end of the year and if not received ask for 40% back. A 10% deposit is more than enough.

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