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cbsmohai · 12 January 2008, 01:03 AM

I'm looking at both these units, both pre-owned.

Any major differences in either?

koronet-kid · 12 January 2008, 01:11 AM

buy the 16800 it will rise in value sooner than the 16610. if it has a matt dail it is even more sought after.

regards sean

cbsmohai · 12 January 2008, 01:58 AM

Anything else?

SPACE-DWELLER · 12 January 2008, 02:43 AM

The Sub 16800 uses Steel 316L, and the 16610 uses 904L with is more corrosion-resistant but also has a higher Nickel content.

The 16800's were the first Subs to get the sapphire crystal (making them water proof to 1,000 ft. for the first time for the Sub range), and it also introduced the rapid date change feature with the 3035 movt. First 16800's had matte dials, without WG trim of the markers. Later, around 1985, the glossy dials with WG trimmed markers came. Some of the glossy dials had a defect in the paint mixture, making for small cracks in the dial, popularly known as the "spider web" dials.

After the 16800 came the 168000 that marked the change from use of steel 316L to the use of steel 904L, btw., and was only produced about 9 months.

The 16610 came in 1989 and uses the 3135 movt., and resembles the 16800 glossy dial Sub Date much in appearance, but whereas all 16800's had Tritium dials, the 16610's only had Tritium markers and hands up to around year 1998 where Luminova took over. In 2000, Luminova was changed to SuperLuminova.

Jedi · 12 January 2008, 02:53 AM

Well done Bo, textbook description. Must have my copy of Vintage Sports Rolex handy... it's in another city at the moment!!

Stratton · 12 January 2008, 06:55 AM

There are 27 jewels in the 3035 movements found in the 16800 and 168000 and 31 in the 3135 of the 16610.

f16570 · 12 January 2008, 07:05 AM

Difference between the 16800 and 16610?
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Welshwatchman · 12 January 2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by f16570

Difference between the 16800 and 16610?
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Ah these Jocks and their sarcasm.

You could cut diamonds with it.

BiG JeEzY · 12 January 2008, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f16570

Difference between the 16800 and 16610?
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Well, mathematically and technically speaking, this is a perfectly true statement.

SPACE-DWELLER · 12 January 2008, 09:02 AM

Would be great if Mike tuned in with some of his fantastic pics. He can probably also add further info about the difference.

mike · 12 January 2008, 09:44 AM

If the 16800 you're looking at has the matt trit. dial, that's the one I would go for. If it has the gloss WG surround dial the 16610 might be the better choice.
If luminosity is a factor, a luminova 16610 is the only choice,

16800 matt,

16610,

SPACE-DWELLER · 12 January 2008, 09:45 AM

Thanks, Mike!

12 January 2008, 01:03 AM	#1
cbsmohai "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Travis Location: Central Texas Watch: Sub Date 16610 Posts: 284	Difference between the 16800 and 16610? I'm looking at both these units, both pre-owned. Any major differences in either?

12 January 2008, 02:43 AM	#4
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	The Sub 16800 uses Steel 316L, and the 16610 uses 904L with is more corrosion-resistant but also has a higher Nickel content. The 16800's were the first Subs to get the sapphire crystal (making them water proof to 1,000 ft. for the first time for the Sub range), and it also introduced the rapid date change feature with the 3035 movt. First 16800's had matte dials, without WG trim of the markers. Later, around 1985, the glossy dials with WG trimmed markers came. Some of the glossy dials had a defect in the paint mixture, making for small cracks in the dial, popularly known as the "spider web" dials. After the 16800 came the 168000 that marked the change from use of steel 316L to the use of steel 904L, btw., and was only produced about 9 months. The 16610 came in 1989 and uses the 3135 movt., and resembles the 16800 glossy dial Sub Date much in appearance, but whereas all 16800's had Tritium dials, the 16610's only had Tritium markers and hands up to around year 1998 where Luminova took over. In 2000, Luminova was changed to SuperLuminova. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

12 January 2008, 07:05 AM	#7
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Difference between the 16800 and 16610? 190 __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

12 January 2008, 09:02 AM	#10
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Would be great if Mike tuned in with some of his fantastic pics. He can probably also add further info about the difference. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

12 January 2008, 09:45 AM	#12
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Thanks, Mike! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

12 January 2008, 01:11 AM	#2
koronet-kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: John Location: AT HOME Watch: deep-sea Comex Posts: 672	buy the 16800 it will rise in value sooner than the 16610. if it has a matt dail it is even more sought after. regards sean

12 January 2008, 01:58 AM	#3
cbsmohai "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Travis Location: Central Texas Watch: Sub Date 16610 Posts: 284	Anything else?

12 January 2008, 02:53 AM	#5
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	Well done Bo, textbook description. Must have my copy of Vintage Sports Rolex handy... it's in another city at the moment!!

12 January 2008, 06:55 AM	#6
Stratton "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 429	There are 27 jewels in the 3035 movements found in the 16800 and 168000 and 31 in the 3135 of the 16610.

12 January 2008, 09:44 AM	#11
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	If the 16800 you're looking at has the matt trit. dial, that's the one I would go for. If it has the gloss WG surround dial the 16610 might be the better choice. If luminosity is a factor, a luminova 16610 is the only choice, 16800 matt, 16610,

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