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4 October 2014, 11:32 AM | #1 |
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Patek Nautilus Rose Gold Try Outs - My thoughts
I own a 5205R and has been itching to get a 2nd PP. Nautilus comes highly recommended. One classic and one Nautilus sporty watch. Makes a great pair. For a while, I had my mind set on the 5980R especially after an encounter at the Geneva Patek Salon. But there is a big stumbling block, ie my bank account. I balk at the price... it just feels too much. So why not get a 5712R? It slimmer, has a to me more attractive micro-rotor movement and is also a RG Nautilus and much more "affordable". Besides, pics from our fellow poster Jorge makes the watch so enticing.
So I set out to hunt for the 5712R. It's quite rare in my part of the world. Any available stocks are usually quickly snatched up although ADs can get allocation without prolong waiting. Finally, I heard from my local AD that they just got one piece in and it is not reserved and is available for purchase. So I made my way down to my local AD. My fellow WIS friend and a devoted Patek collector volunteer to accompany me ( or try to poison me at the same time ). He has helpfully worn his newly purchased 5980R for my comparison. Impressions - 5980R Once again, the 5980R impressed. While we are having our quick lunch at a local restaurant, I tried out his 5980R. It's big but Iooks perfect on my wrist. The case shimmers and glows. The dial is literally to die for as the golden brown hue matches perfectly with the rose gold case. I still balk at the price, but my resolve is starting to become shaky. Then, after like 10 or 15 mins, I start to feel the weight of the watch. Damn... it's heavy. I know the watch is top heavy but not like this. My IWC PPC is top heavy also but the 5980R is more so. I can feel the full weight of the gold case pressing down on my wrist. This is the first time I have worn the 5980R for any extended period. Yes, my hand did not become immobile but I can distinctly feel the weight and not in a good way. I have to conclude this watch is just too uncomfortable for me. My friend suggested that maybe it's because the strap is too tight as he has a slightly smaller wrist to mine. The deployment clasp in a Nautilus has a screw-down setup where it is not possible to manually adjust the watch. Impressions on the 5712R We proceed to the local AD. The friendly store owner brought out the 5712R still neatly wrapped in plastic and in perfect mint condition. It comes in a slimmer RG case, with the same brown exquisitely stitched leather strap like the 5980R. I tried it on and.... Wait... It looks different. :Why does the watch dial looks so greyish? I recall the 5712R in pictures does not look like that. Was it the showroom's harsh lighting? Then I put the 5712R besides the 5980R. It cannot be more obvious. The dial on the 5980R pops while the 5712R just takes on a greyish brown almost metallic silvery hue. Where is the deep brown / chocholate hue that I saw in the photos such as this ( not my photo )? Did PP changed the 5712R recently? I recall ever seeing the 5712R in the wild and it looks much better than this. By itself, the 5712R is a nice looking watch. It's just when it is compared to the 5980R that the difference becomes apparent. So I left the store not buying anything but I told the owner I will think about it. But in my mind I already decided the 5712R is not for me. Not when the 5980R exist. But the 5980R is not comfortable to wear. Or maybe it need further adjustment on the strap? So, no RG Nautilus for me. Well, at least not now. My "salvation" might lies with one possible future piece. The 5726R in rose gold. With a great looking dial of course. Thanks for reading and have a great weekend. |
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Enjoyed the personal insight Ben.
All references mentioned have a fantastic appeal.... If only we all had unlimited funds, because I like them all (and said with sincerity)!!!!
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For me the 5980R is very hard to beat and is clear winner in my book! Taste of course is subjective and others will like 5712 more. I can tell you one thing is I am not a fan of the 5726 myself so wouldn't even go in that direction. Looking at past posts I can tell your heart says 5980R so that is the one....You will get used to the price over time as the dial and warm RG case take you over. Great thread Ben and hope you get the one you truly want! Also as for strap Patek can also always make custom one if standard doesn't fit. The strap is quite easy to adjust even with the screw and you have to try it on properly sized to get comfotable feel. Cheers,
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Great post Ben, and glad you got to try both the 5980 and 5712 and see them side by side. I guess finding the perfect watch is part of the journey and fun, so all the best with your search for your next PP! I think you should try your friend's 5980R again with the strap adjusted if you get the chance to see if that might change your mind on how it feels on your wrist.
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Patek Nautilus Rose Gold Try Outs - My thoughts
Can't comment on the 5980R because all I seen is Ken's picks. I love my 5712R and is the perfect Nautilus for me. But you are right on with the decision of walking away, it's a lot of cash and you have to be sure it's the right piece for you. I have to say that the dial of the 5712R it really changes greatly depending on the lighting, sometimes it looks brown, sometimes it looks grayish, sometimes even bluish. So it's hard to see all that under the AD's lighting.
Best of luck , if this is not the right watch for you be patient, it will come and you will know it Sent from the 3 Watches Philosophy Company headquarters
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Ben, have you tried the 5167r? I think it meets all your requirements.
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Hi, personally I feel that the 5712 very thin. Well both is nice.
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5980 for me!
You can always adjust the strap, or add a hole, or put a short/long strap on it...
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Ben.. May I share some of my personal opinion on the nautilus range.. i personally find the 5712 despite being a smaller watch than the 5980, the slim case is can be uncomfortable on a small wrist like a 5711.. However, the 5980 with a much thicker case fit smaller rounded wrist much better. Weird I know but my Mrs (Jen) is using a 5980/1A (white dial) currently (replaced her white 5711, now sitting in the safe)... (Same as Ken, 5726 did nothing for me and Jen. As what Mike suggested, 5167R maybe a better watch if you don't mind the rubber strap, then again, rubber is perfect for our humid climate here, tidak berbau boleh membasuh lagi ;) ) .. Good luck with your hunt, cheers! HAGWE! .. James
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Nice comparison and pics. Always fun to explore the next purchase.
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Patek Nautilus Rose Gold Try Outs - My thoughts
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I think the 5712 on strap is very comfortable. But to the point of the color of the dial, It might have something to do the fact that the 5980 has this bullseye white halo that makes the dial reflect different. If Patek changed the color of they dial of the 5712R, I don't know. Regards Sent from the 3 Watches Philosophy Company headquarters
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I am actually considering this as well. But to be able to afford this will requires flipping, something that I am not fond of doing. |
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That 5980r on bracelet - speechless. Wow.
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Wait for the 5990 to come out in RG
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Interesting post, Ben. I tried both of these out and the dial of the 5712r is greyish most of the time but that didn't bother me. I liked the 5980r too but the price is pretty daunting, esp for a strapped watch.
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My comfort story (Rolex content!):
I bought an 18K Daytona on bracelet, thinking here is the (near) ultimate Daytona (which I still love). The weight was not the delight many find it to be. It kept shifting away to the outside of my wrist, and I kept fiddling to move it back. Tightened it, same thing. Loosened it, same thing with the occasional drop down to my hand. With a heavy heart, I had to admit the heavy beautiful beast simply did not fit my wrist. Now wearing a stainless Aquanaut, which I suspect would have similar comfort in gold. I just don't like pink gold on my pale skin. So I echo the advice to try a 5167R. And I empathize about the comfort (lack thereof) of a top-heavy watch. |
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If at all the 5980r is an option, I'd go for that even if it meant flipping.
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Oh, the 5980/1R is out of this world. However, if Ben thought the 5980R was heavy, not sure if the 5980/1R would be a good fit, but full gold Pateks doesn't get much better than that.
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That's my only other Patek (same exact model) but I have no issue with the fit? Seems (to me) lightweight compared to a gold Rolex Professional Series on bracelet. But every wrist and fit preference is different. I couldn't answer your query about the deployant. I suspect if it's not comfy with the strap alone it may be similar with the deployant, and who wants to make a $3,500 gamble? That would buy a pre-loved Rolex Explorer II! |
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I will agree...I tired it on a couple of weeks ago and saw the grayish color more strongly then the brown.
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Question, is the 5980 a modular Chrono ?
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5980 is stunning.
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If you can get it buy it. One of the most beautiful watches ive ever seen.
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*** Try Outs - Continued ***
Ok, so I am back to the store again, trying out the Nautilus RG pieces and this time also the Aquanault 5167R.
First, the 5712R again. I know now why the dial appears greyish. It's actually reflecting the florescent lighting in the AD's showroom. When view at an angle instead of directly, the greyishness disappear and replaced by a more darker brown hue which is much more pleasing. But viewing the dial directly, even in subdue lighting, the greyish huges appears again. So I am still not convinced. Next, I tried the 5980R again, this time with the strap loosen by a hole. The "press-down" effect of the top heavy watch unfortunately is still there. It's not as bad as when the strap was tight but I can definitely feel it. **Sigh**. Sadly, I think this watch is just not for me. Now the big kahuna. The 5980/1R is here! I asked to try and put it on. And surprise! It's actually fits well. The watch is of course heavier than the 5980R and top heavy, but the full RG bracelet actually helps to spread out the weight so it does not press against my wrist anymore, something that the leather strap with deployment was unable to do. The dial is the same as the 5980R with the chrono subdial in white lines. It's a stunning watch. This would be the Nautilus I should get if not for the price-tag. But what do you guys think? Too bling? Shouty? Lastly, the RG 5167R. I was unable to actually try out the watch because the rubber strap needed to be cut to adjust to it's size. I will presume it will be a good fit as the rubber strap feels very flexible. I was surprise also how thin the Aquanault is, possibly no thicker than my Jumbo which measures 8mm. The RG case is absolutely mesmerizing as per above photo, with alternative polished and brushed surfaces, just like what I have seen in the PP Salon in Geneva. My only gripe, the dial is kind of simple and there is no complication other than date. Now back to the drawing table. Further analysis and contemplation... |
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Great post ,have you tried the watch on natural light too ?pp dials are like chameleons
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