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Wiener48 · 28 March 2018, 11:09 PM

Hello guys, dont really find something about these special watches here at the Forum.

It's not the same as the 24H Daytona or 24H Le Mans watches, given from Rolex to the winners, the "Grand Prix de Monaco" watches are, what I think, from a local dealer in Monaco given to Racing Drivers.

Example:

1992 for the Monaco GP, the most exiting GP in Monaco ever, Senna vs. Mansell see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsqipJ2lSZs

The were given 3 watches, Submariners in Gold, Bi Color and Steel.

Not sure for what exactly, I would say fastest lap, Winner and Qualifying.

Two were auctioned bevor, see:

https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/...13-350?page=18

https://www.phillips.com/detail/ROLEX/CH080117/126

Does someone knowes more about these unique watches? Pictures, Details?

Lets see what's coming....

Wiener48 · 29 March 2018, 01:49 AM

There was an old thread here at the board, but couldn’t find it anymore.

Chewbacca · 29 March 2018, 01:55 AM

Catalogue Essay

The 1992 Grand Prix de Monaco is recognized as one of the most exciting Formula One races in history, as two of the most notorious drivers, Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell, engaged in a breathtaking battle for victory. We believe this watch is one of a very limited batch of Submariners in stainless steel to have been made for this event along with another batch in gold and steel. Research shows that these were delivered to Rolex’s French agent and must have been given as gifts to the driver of the fastest lap and to the winner of the race. For the year 1992, the pole position was held by Nigel Mansell and the race won by Ayrton Senna.
Marking the beginning of an era, Reference 16610 is Rolex’s first Submariner to use a sapphire crystal as well as the first model of the Submariner family to feature white gold applied luminous hour markers on a black, glossy dial. All parts of the present glossy black dial are in immaculate condition. This watch’s case is crisp with extremely well defined lugs. With its motorsport linkage, it's sure to be a great addition for the discerning collector.

Which mean, its just a submariner.

these auctions related to racing are well known for their liberal use of provenance exits.

rolex had no FIA F1 relationship at the time and a sub is not a racing watch.

its just a sub worth what a 16610 or 16613 is worth unless proven without question its a presented watch, and even then, not worth much more than retail.

so, there you go.

Wiener48 · 29 March 2018, 02:18 AM

„Just a Submariner“ is good.

Note:

Antiquorum sold the watch having belonged to Ayrton Senna for 36.000 SFr.

Nice result for „just a Sub“ and this years ago.

ale70 · 29 March 2018, 02:35 AM

Anything that belonged to Ayrton is priceless...

The point is that nowhere it states what was given to whom.

I'd love to have one of these. I guess it depends how much you care about Formula One...

Valhala · 29 March 2018, 02:42 AM

Thats pretty cool info

Wiener48 · 29 March 2018, 02:46 AM

Not the same, but close, here is the thread about the „official“ Rolex Winners Watches

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...aytona+winners

77T · 29 March 2018, 02:54 AM

Rolex collectors might have an interest despite it being a Sub if there is provenance. Formula One collectors, too. And in some corners, Senna fans would want it despite rising values.

All depends upon some reliable proof the driver was presented with the watch - then value increases if the driver became world-famous, and wore it, was pictured with it, and handed it over to someone in some significant way.

Although PLN didn’t win his Daytona, his watch ticked all the other boxes to the tune of 15 millions.

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Chewbacca · 29 March 2018, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiener48

„Just a Submariner“ is good.

Note:

Antiquorum sold the watch having belonged to Ayrton Senna for 36.000 SFr.

Nice result for „just a Sub“ and this years ago.

#senna

You answered your own question.

Chewbacca · 29 March 2018, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ale70

Anything that belonged to Ayrton is priceless...

The point is that nowhere it states what was given to whom.

I'd love to have one of these. I guess it depends how much you care about Formula One...

I've been to the Monte Carlo Drivers Club auction several times. And bid, and won watches.

There's many of these floating around, without provenance.

Wiener48 · 29 March 2018, 03:28 AM

Thank you, but what is the story behind in detail?

vinny84 · 29 March 2018, 04:05 AM

Very cool! I would love to own this watch

AK797 · 29 March 2018, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ale70

Anything that belonged to Ayrton is priceless...

The point is that nowhere it states what was given to whom.

I'd love to have one of these. I guess it depends how much you care about Formula One...

Not as priceless as Nigel's moustache, that was a national treasure.

Wiener48 · 29 March 2018, 05:41 AM

This is the Nigel Mansell Sub from 1992

Wiener48 · 29 March 2018, 11:39 PM

Help needed, someone has a link to the Auction?

"Antiquorum sold the watch having belonged to Ayrton Senna"

When was it and where?

Wiener48 · 30 March 2018, 04:44 AM

Found it - 16. March 2008

From the website: Other exceptional results include a Rolex that once belonged to the Formula One driver Ayrton Senna that sold for SRF. 36,000, four times its pre-sale estimate.

Does someone has the catalogue? Would love to see a picture of the watch and the discription.

Wiener48 · 30 March 2018, 04:56 AM

Found it, the Senna Watch

https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/...page=1&q=Senna

Chewbacca · 30 March 2018, 05:44 AM

Senna would never "buy" a Rolex while under contract. Or even be seen wearing one.

He was 100pct loyal to Tag Heuer (and every sponsor) after his Universal Genève contract expired.

Phillips or Christies would never allow this type description without absolute proof.

Here's a good link.

http://www.ayrton-senna-dasilva.com/...ennas-watches/

Wiener48 · 30 March 2018, 05:59 AM

I agree with you that he never bought one, or better in special, this one. it was given to him in 1992 for the F1 GP. Would love to find and owne the watch :-)

In detail, when you look at the video of the race in 1992 Monaco, you see him with the winners trophy and wearing a TAG Heuer.

Chewbacca · 30 March 2018, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiener48

I agree with you that he never bought one, or better in special, this one. it was given to him in 1992 for the F1 GP. Would love to find and owne the watch :-)

In detail, when you look at the video of the race in 1992 Monaco, you see him with the winners trophy and wearing a TAG Heuer.

That's exactly it.

I know serious watch, f1 and senna collectors and they don't care about this 1992 Monaco GP watch.

Wiener48 · 30 March 2018, 06:14 AM

I would care ....

Chewbacca · 30 March 2018, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiener48

I would care ....

I would find the buyer. I bet they'd sell it to you in a heartbeat.

Wiener48 · 30 March 2018, 11:10 PM

Any more respons?

Wiener48 · 4 April 2018, 11:22 PM

Still looking for the "Senna Watch" :-)

Wiener48 · 7 April 2018, 12:06 AM

Here it is, finaly arrived, a real 90s sexy and smal pice of history

Chewbacca · 7 April 2018, 12:12 AM

Nice.

Told you they'd sell it.

Wiener48 · 7 April 2018, 12:19 AM

Have to find the „Senna Watch“

avilhena · 7 April 2018, 01:05 AM

Nice find! Enjoy it!

Wiener48 · 11 July 2018, 07:24 AM

Take care with these „Grand Prix de Monaco“ Watches, thats all, I only want to warn you, don’t want to say more...

I learned my lesson!

29 March 2018, 02:35 AM	#5
ale70 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: NYC Posts: 332	Anything that belonged to Ayrton is priceless... The point is that nowhere it states what was given to whom. I'd love to have one of these. I guess it depends how much you care about Formula One... __________________ THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE

29 March 2018, 02:54 AM	#8
77T 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 40,711	Rolex collectors might have an interest despite it being a Sub if there is provenance. Formula One collectors, too. And in some corners, Senna fans would want it despite rising values. All depends upon some reliable proof the driver was presented with the watch - then value increases if the driver became world-famous, and wore it, was pictured with it, and handed it over to someone in some significant way. Although PLN didn’t win his Daytona, his watch ticked all the other boxes to the tune of 15 millions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

7 April 2018, 01:05 AM	#28
avilhena "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,115	Nice find! Enjoy it! __________________ Once you wear the crown, you can never go down.

29 March 2018, 01:49 AM	#2
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	There was an old thread here at the board, but couldn’t find it anymore.

29 March 2018, 01:55 AM	#3
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	Catalogue Essay The 1992 Grand Prix de Monaco is recognized as one of the most exciting Formula One races in history, as two of the most notorious drivers, Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell, engaged in a breathtaking battle for victory. We believe this watch is one of a very limited batch of Submariners in stainless steel to have been made for this event along with another batch in gold and steel. Research shows that these were delivered to Rolex’s French agent and must have been given as gifts to the driver of the fastest lap and to the winner of the race. For the year 1992, the pole position was held by Nigel Mansell and the race won by Ayrton Senna. Marking the beginning of an era, Reference 16610 is Rolex’s first Submariner to use a sapphire crystal as well as the first model of the Submariner family to feature white gold applied luminous hour markers on a black, glossy dial. All parts of the present glossy black dial are in immaculate condition. This watch’s case is crisp with extremely well defined lugs. With its motorsport linkage, it's sure to be a great addition for the discerning collector. Which mean, its just a submariner. these auctions related to racing are well known for their liberal use of provenance exits. rolex had no FIA F1 relationship at the time and a sub is not a racing watch. its just a sub worth what a 16610 or 16613 is worth unless proven without question its a presented watch, and even then, not worth much more than retail. so, there you go.

29 March 2018, 02:18 AM	#4
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	„Just a Submariner“ is good. Note: Antiquorum sold the watch having belonged to Ayrton Senna for 36.000 SFr. Nice result for „just a Sub“ and this years ago.

29 March 2018, 02:42 AM	#6
Valhala Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 419	Thats pretty cool info

29 March 2018, 02:46 AM	#7
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Not the same, but close, here is the thread about the „official“ Rolex Winners Watches https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...aytona+winners

29 March 2018, 03:28 AM	#11
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Thank you, but what is the story behind in detail?

29 March 2018, 04:05 AM	#12
vinny84 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: USA Posts: 722	Very cool! I would love to own this watch

29 March 2018, 11:39 PM	#15
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Help needed, someone has a link to the Auction? "Antiquorum sold the watch having belonged to Ayrton Senna" When was it and where?

30 March 2018, 04:44 AM	#16
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Found it - 16. March 2008 From the website: Other exceptional results include a Rolex that once belonged to the Formula One driver Ayrton Senna that sold for SRF. 36,000, four times its pre-sale estimate. Does someone has the catalogue? Would love to see a picture of the watch and the discription.

30 March 2018, 05:44 AM	#18
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	Senna would never "buy" a Rolex while under contract. Or even be seen wearing one. He was 100pct loyal to Tag Heuer (and every sponsor) after his Universal Genève contract expired. Phillips or Christies would never allow this type description without absolute proof. Here's a good link. http://www.ayrton-senna-dasilva.com/...ennas-watches/

30 March 2018, 05:59 AM	#19
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	I agree with you that he never bought one, or better in special, this one. it was given to him in 1992 for the F1 GP. Would love to find and owne the watch :-) In detail, when you look at the video of the race in 1992 Monaco, you see him with the winners trophy and wearing a TAG Heuer.

30 March 2018, 06:14 AM	#21
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	I would care ....

30 March 2018, 11:10 PM	#23
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Any more respons?

4 April 2018, 11:22 PM	#24
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Still looking for the "Senna Watch" :-)

7 April 2018, 12:12 AM	#26
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	Nice. Told you they'd sell it.

7 April 2018, 12:19 AM	#27
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Have to find the „Senna Watch“

11 July 2018, 07:24 AM	#29
Wiener48 Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vienna Posts: 1,299	Take care with these „Grand Prix de Monaco“ Watches, thats all, I only want to warn you, don’t want to say more... I learned my lesson!

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