The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX


Go Back   Rolex Forums - Rolex Watch Forum > Rolex & Tudor Watch Topics > Rolex General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 8 April 2018, 01:26 AM   #1
Vicious49
"TRF" Member
 
Vicious49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Houston
Posts: 86
Settled on 16610 over SubC after owning both

I started with a new SubC 114060 about 3 months ago. The build quality was amazing. The bracelet and clasp were the best I'd ever seen. For some reason however, something bothered me about it. In the end, I just couldn't learn to love the fat lugs and how they didn't flow properly in to the bracelet.

After doing a few trades and sales, I ended with a near NOS 16610 date sub that still had stickers on the case. The only thing missing is the box. I've owned a few older GMTs and Explorer2s and always thought this generation was somewhat flimsy but wore so comfortably. This is my first time handling a NOS one and the build quality is pretty good. Even the bracelet is solid. I'm guessing they were all this way at first until stretch kicks in. Either way, this one seems better suited to my wrist (at least in my mind anyways). I know it doesn't have the ceramic bezel and the technology but I like it more. Only thing I don't like is the clasp that seems to bulge out. If I can source a GMT clasp to put on there, it'll be perfect.

My opinions after having tried on both
- The SubC is more sporty and feels more bulked up with that maxi case. The maxi dial makes it more legible.
- The older Sub is much more classic. The shape of the case makes it more classy. The older dial is more dressy.

Below are pics of both.

Side story on the missing box:
As was explained to me by the sales lady, when Harvey hit, a lot of people will run out of the house with their watches but forget about the box. Or they keep the watch and papers in a safe but the box is stored elsewhere and will get destroyed so they've been getting quite a few in lately missing boxes.



Vicious49 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 01:40 AM   #2
Stevec14
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Real Name: Steve
Location: U.K.
Watch: Daytona, Tudor gmt
Posts: 1,608
Congrats. Love the 5 digit. I had virtually the same experience as you. The trade off for the bracelet and newer materials is the slimmer case and better looks (IMO). I can’t see me going back to more modern models unless the design moves more towards the older one.

That said, I understand those who prefer the 6 digit over 5. Horses for courses I guess....
Stevec14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 01:51 AM   #3
1992Olympics
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Israel
Posts: 30
Nice - looks to be in great condition, wear it well. Sad story about Harvey.

I recently picked up a 16610 which is my first Rolex and hopefully my last, hope to wear it for the rest of my mortal years on this planet.

I preferred the lower-profile "classic" look over the bling and bulkiness of the ceramic ones, but that doesn't take away from their awesomeness of course - a matter of taste for sure.
1992Olympics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 01:59 AM   #4
Rags
2018 Pledge Member
 
Rags's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Real Name: Chuck
Location: N.Y.
Watch: 16233,16610,214270
Posts: 9,620
I agree I love the bracelet but the bigger case is not for me.
__________________
I'd rather have it & not need it then need it & not have it...

16233 Y Serial Datejust
16610 Z Serial Submariner
214270 Explorer
Rags is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 02:00 AM   #5
Ripcode
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
Ripcode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Real Name: Michael
Location: Michigan
Watch: 16610
Posts: 282
“Settled” for a 16610?
Ripcode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 02:15 AM   #6
traf
"TRF" Member
 
traf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Real Name: dave
Location: miami
Watch: me ride bikes
Posts: 1,796
Agree 100%, my tritium dial 16610 says hi!




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
traf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 02:29 AM   #7
Vicious49
"TRF" Member
 
Vicious49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Houston
Posts: 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripcode View Post
“Settled” for a 16610?
'Decided on' would have been a better choice of words on my part. But then again, I've never been known for being much of a writer.
Vicious49 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 02:32 AM   #8
MickCollins1916
2018 Pledge Member
 
MickCollins1916's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Real Name: Bill
Location: Baltimore, MD
Watch: 116600
Posts: 1,597
Fantastic choice. I love both 6 and 5 digit models myself, and the 16610’s a classic.
MickCollins1916 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 02:42 AM   #9
Etschell
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
Etschell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Real Name: Eliot
Location: FLL
Watch: 114060, 25600tb
Posts: 9,944
neither are a mistake. i just prefer the ceramic bezel and glidelock.
__________________
If you wind it, they will run.

Would you like to take part in Meet a Rolex Forums Member? Please PM me. The series began with tkerrmd. And continued with DavidSW, GerardoG, Jocke, TheVTCGuy, Rolex Addict, Art1
Etschell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 02:52 AM   #10
Odie-r
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: London
Posts: 420
They're both beautiful, you can't go wrong. Happy you're happy!
Odie-r is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:01 AM   #11
ancientmariner
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
ancientmariner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Real Name: Tony
Location: UK
Posts: 423
Love the 16610
Looks great on you!
ancientmariner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:08 AM   #12
SWISSAHOLICS
2018 Pledge Member
 
SWISSAHOLICS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Real Name: Adam
Location: Florida
Watch: 16610 16710 116500
Posts: 4,174
Yup, love the 16610 but prefer the glide lock bracelet. So ended up sourcing the bracelet and slapped it on my 16610....now it's perfect!!
__________________
Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018


"The one thing I fear most is time; time waits for no one and leaves no options."
SWISSAHOLICS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:28 AM   #13
Gharddog03
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
Gharddog03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Real Name: Genaro
Location: Fresno Ca.
Watch: R O L E X
Posts: 4,065
Classic
__________________
Gharddog03 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:28 AM   #14
Andrejb
2018 Pledge Member
 
Andrejb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Canada
Posts: 638
I went from having a 6 digit to buying a 5 digit in great shape for the exact same reason.

Then when I had the 5 digit I kept obsessing over the 4 digits that I’ve wanted for a very long time..

So now I have both a 5513 and 14060M haha





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Andrejb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:39 AM   #15
Bladeshot
2018 Pledge Member
 
Bladeshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Real Name: Grant
Location: Birmingham, AL
Watch: GMT II 16710
Posts: 464
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevec14 View Post
Congrats. Love the 5 digit. I had virtually the same experience as you. The trade off for the bracelet and newer materials is the slimmer case and better looks (IMO). I can’t see me going back to more modern models unless the design moves more towards the older one.

That said, I understand those who prefer the 6 digit over 5. Horses for courses I guess....


Same experience I’ve had... have tried both date and traditional submariners, both 5 digit and 6 digit. Have both right now, but I keep selling the ceramic versions. I want to love them, just because of the glidelock and maxi dial. I just can’t make it stick... so my solution is to have a Kermit. I can enjoy a maxi dial without big lugs. Will eventually put a glidelock on the Kermit, and Bingo - my perfect submariner.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Just another WIS who loves to trade...
Bladeshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:46 AM   #16
Armyguy03
"TRF" Member
 
Armyguy03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: DM[V]
Watch: 16710 | 16600
Posts: 3,492
Long live the 5 Digit, which interestingly is a double entrendre since Digit itself is 5 letters.
__________________
Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons
Armyguy03 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:47 AM   #17
Ripcode
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
Ripcode's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Real Name: Michael
Location: Michigan
Watch: 16610
Posts: 282
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicious49 View Post
'Decided on' would have been a better choice of words on my part. But then again, I've never been known for being much of a writer.


Lol! Thanks for the clarification. I was hoping that was the case.
Ripcode is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 03:49 AM   #18
Auto16610
"TRF" Member
 
Auto16610's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Real Name: Scott
Location: Bay Area, CA
Watch: Out!
Posts: 555
16610 is iconic!

I would not consider it settling. Enjoy it!
Auto16610 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 04:04 AM   #19
T.Rex
"TRF" Member
 
T.Rex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Real Name: Tom
Location: Pittsburgh
Watch: Sub 14060M "G"
Posts: 61
In my opinion, the 16610/14060 are the best of the breed. I know there is a lot of love for the ceramics but if those owners had to choose between "old and the new" my guess is that the "old" would be the preference.
T.Rex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 04:06 AM   #20
superstarmar
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
superstarmar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Real Name: Mario
Location: In Motion
Watch: my wrist presence
Posts: 4,802
I think the coin bezel on 5 digit subs are more
profound!!! Love it !!! Wear it well ...
__________________
superstarmar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 04:16 AM   #21
Vicious49
"TRF" Member
 
Vicious49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Houston
Posts: 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWISSAHOLICS View Post
Yup, love the 16610 but prefer the glide lock bracelet. So ended up sourcing the bracelet and slapped it on my 16610....now it's perfect!!
I actually like the way the older bracelets wear. I just don't like the clasp that came on the Sub as it sticks out way too much. If I can source a GMT style clasp I'll be all set.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrejb View Post
I went from having a 6 digit to buying a 5 digit in great shape for the exact same reason.

Then when I had the 5 digit I kept obsessing over the 4 digits that I’ve wanted for a very long time..

So now I have both a 5513 and 14060M haha

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I fully expect to pick up a 5513 at some point. I want one with some nice creamy markers and I love the acrylic crystal. It will have to wait a bit as I will have to replenish funds. Hopefully the prices of those don't go too crazy over the next few years.
Vicious49 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:02 AM   #22
mountainjogger
2018 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Real Name: H
Location: North Carolina
Watch: 114060; 116900
Posts: 1,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Etschell View Post
neither are a mistake. i just prefer the ceramic bezel and glidelock.
Absolutely agree.

Just comes down to personal peference.

Owned a Y series 16610 and an R series 5513. Both great watches. In fact, I have never seen a SS sub I did not like.

But the ceramic bezel and glidelock are my strong preference. I would not go back.
__________________
The King of Cool.
mountainjogger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:03 AM   #23
mountainjogger
2018 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Real Name: H
Location: North Carolina
Watch: 114060; 116900
Posts: 1,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by T.Rex View Post
In my opinion, the 16610/14060 are the best of the breed. I know there is a lot of love for the ceramics but if those owners had to choose between "old and the new" my guess is that the "old" would be the preference.
Not for me. Been there done that.
__________________
The King of Cool.
mountainjogger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:09 AM   #24
antbkny
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
antbkny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Real Name: Anthony
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Watch: ♛ DSSD DBlue
Posts: 4,684
Older sub fits you better
antbkny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:10 AM   #25
c41006
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
c41006's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Real Name: Joshua
Location: Atlanta
Watch: 116710LN 116234
Posts: 6,298
I've owned 2 16610 Subs over the years but I prefer the 6 digit pieces. To me they have a much higher quality feel to them. I can certainly see the appeal of the 5 digits though.
c41006 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:25 AM   #26
fskywalker
2018 BOND 007 Pledge Member
 
fskywalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Real Name: Francisco
Location: San Juan, PR
Watch: Is Ticking !
Posts: 7,317
Settled on 16610 over SubC after owning both

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicious49 View Post
I started with a new SubC 114060 about 3 months ago. The build quality was amazing. The bracelet and clasp were the best I'd ever seen. For some reason however, something bothered me about it. In the end, I just couldn't learn to love the fat lugs and how they didn't flow properly in to the bracelet.

After doing a few trades and sales, I ended with a near NOS 16610 date sub that still had stickers on the case. The only thing missing is the box. I've owned a few older GMTs and Explorer2s and always thought this generation was somewhat flimsy but wore so comfortably. This is my first time handling a NOS one and the build quality is pretty good. Even the bracelet is solid. I'm guessing they were all this way at first until stretch kicks in. Either way, this one seems better suited to my wrist (at least in my mind anyways). I know it doesn't have the ceramic bezel and the technology but I like it more. Only thing I don't like is the clasp that seems to bulge out. If I can source a GMT clasp to put on there, it'll be perfect.

My opinions after having tried on both
- The SubC is more sporty and feels more bulked up with that maxi case. The maxi dial makes it more legible.
- The older Sub is much more classic. The shape of the case makes it more classy. The older dial is more dressy.

Below are pics of both.

Side story on the missing box:
As was explained to me by the sales lady, when Harvey hit, a lot of people will run out of the house with their watches but forget about the box. Or they keep the watch and papers in a safe but the box is stored elsewhere and will get destroyed so they've been getting quite a few in lately missing boxes.





Congrats and welcome to the 16610 club! (my S series shown below). You can fit the 97200 (SubC bracelet) full bracelet (or clasp), as well as the modern oyster bracelet with easylink (from an Explorer 214270, for example) if you want a modern solid links / clasp setup.

I know as sucessfully used both on mine; ended up going back to the original bracelet as preferred the less bulky clasp!





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________
Francisco
16610 / 18239 / 16713 / 79270P
fskywalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:33 AM   #27
mailman
Moderator & 2018 RED-SD43 Patron
 
mailman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Real Name: Buckwheat
Location: .
Posts: 32,646
Congratulations on a great watch. I've owned a handful of 5 digit Submariners and love the classic look and lines. You purchased a fantastic watch that will last you a lifetime
__________________
JJ
mailman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:33 AM   #28
SLS
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
SLS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Real Name: Scott
Location: GMT -7
Watch: GMT's & Sub's
Posts: 9,303
Congrats and great choice. The 4 and 5 digit Subs and GMT's are my preference as well. Enjoy it
__________________
"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin

Member No. 922
SLS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 06:50 AM   #29
SeaDweller50
2018 RED-SD43 Pledge Member
 
SeaDweller50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Real Name: Sandy
Location: Portsmouth U.K.
Watch: SD43
Posts: 2,736
Near damn perfect the 16610 reference. Congrats.
SeaDweller50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8 April 2018, 08:00 AM   #30
Robbyman
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Blighty (England)
Watch: DaytonaC & BLNR
Posts: 1,133


16610 with GMT clasp.
Robbyman is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


*Banner Of The Month*
This space is provided to horological resources.





Copyright ©2004-2018, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.